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From: "Günther Noack" <gnoack@google.com>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: "Jared Finder" <jared@finder.org>, "Hanno Böck" <hanno@hboeck.de>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Jiri Slaby" <jirislaby@kernel.org>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org, regressions@lists.linux.dev,
	"kernel list" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: GPM & Emacs broken in Linux 6.7 -- ok to relax check?
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 15:07:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z08QvvfLSWGIDfBD@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z08NV4Z-L0anDxGk@google.com>

On Tue, Dec 03, 2024 at 02:53:27PM +0100, Günther Noack wrote:
> Hanno, you are the original author of this patch and you have done a more
> detailed analysis on the TIOCLINUX problems than me -- do you agree that this
> weakened check would still be sufficient to protect against the TIOCLINUX
> problems?  (Or in other words, if we permitted TIOCL_SELPOINTER, TIOCL_SELCLEAR
> and TIOCL_SELMOUSEREPORT for non-CAP_SYS_ADMIN processes, would you still see a
> way to misuse that functionality?)

P.S.: For reference, some more detailed reasoning why I think that that proposal
would be OK:

It would protect at least against the "minittyjack.c" example that was attached
to https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2023/03/14/3

The trick used there was:

* ioctl() with TIOCLINUX with TIOCL_SETSEL with TIOCL_SELLINE,
  to make a selection (a.k.a. changing the contents of vc_sel)
* ioctl() with TIOCLINUX and TIOCL_PASTESEL to paste the selection.
  (The implementation for that is in selection.c/paste_selection()
  and is just copying from vc_sel.)

So as long as we are protecting the change to vc_sel, that should be OK in my
mind.

—Günther

  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-03 14:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-29 19:33 GPM & Emacs broken in Linux 6.7 -- ok to relax check? Jared Finder
2024-11-29 19:50 ` Jann Horn
2024-12-03 13:53   ` Günther Noack
2024-12-03 14:07     ` Günther Noack [this message]
2024-12-14  5:13       ` Jared Finder
2024-12-14  7:47         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-12-16 15:07           ` [PATCH] tty: Permit some TIOCL_SETSEL modes without CAP_SYS_ADMIN Günther Noack
2024-12-16 15:14             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-12-16 15:17             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-12-16 15:42               ` Günther Noack
2024-12-21 11:06                 ` Günther Noack
2024-12-21 11:10                   ` [PATCH v2] " Günther Noack
2024-12-22  8:37                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-10 14:21                   ` Günther Noack
2025-01-10 16:50                     ` Kees Cook
2025-02-08 15:18                       ` Jared Finder
2025-02-08 15:28                         ` Greg KH
2025-02-08 16:03                           ` Jared Finder
2025-02-09  6:49                             ` Greg KH
2025-02-21  0:10                         ` Günther Noack
2025-02-22 21:07                           ` Jared Finder
2025-02-23 20:54                             ` [PATCH] tty: Require CAP_SYS_ADMIN for all usages of TIOCL_SELMOUSEREPORT Günther Noack
2025-03-07 10:16                               ` Günther Noack
2025-03-07 11:05                                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-03-07 13:55                                   ` Günther Noack
2025-03-07 14:31                                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-12 13:14                     ` [PATCH v2] tty: Permit some TIOCL_SETSEL modes without CAP_SYS_ADMIN Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-12-17  9:09             ` [PATCH] " Günther Noack
2024-12-17  8:47     ` GPM & Emacs broken in Linux 6.7 -- ok to relax check? Hanno Böck
2024-12-17  8:49       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman

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