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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Hou Wenlong <houwenlong.hwl@antgroup.com>,
	 Kechen Lu <kechenl@nvidia.com>,
	Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>,
	 Binbin Wu <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>,
	Yang Weijiang <weijiang.yang@intel.com>,
	 Robert Hoo <robert.hoo.linux@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 22/49] KVM: x86: Add a macro to precisely handle aliased 0x1.EDX CPUID features
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2024 06:38:41 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z0cu8aLX7VkwmtSk@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cbcb80ee5be13d78390ff6f4a1a3c58fc849e311.camel@redhat.com>

On Thu, Nov 21, 2024, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
> On Wed, 2024-09-11 at 08:37 -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2024, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2024-08-05 at 15:00 -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > > At that point, I'm ok with defining each alias, though I honestly still don't
> > > > understand the motivation for defining single-use macros.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > The idea is that nobody will need to look at these macros
> > > (e.g__X86_FEATURE_8000_0001_ALIAS() and its usages), because it's clear what
> > > they do, they just define few extra CPUID features that nobody really cares
> > > about.
> > > 
> > > ALIASED_F() on the other hand is yet another _F macro() and we will need,
> > > once again and again to figure out why it is there, what it does, etc.
> > 
> > That seems easily solved by naming the macro ALIASED_8000_0001_F().  I don't see
> > how that's any less clear than __X86_FEATURE_8000_0001_ALIAS(), and as above,
> > there are several advantages to defining the alias in the context of the leaf
> > builder.
> > 
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I am stating my point again: Treating 8000_0001 leaf aliases as regular CPUID
> features means that we don't need common code to deal with this, and thus
> when someone reads the common code (and this is the thing I care about the
> most) that someone won't need to dig up the info about what these aliases
> are. 

Ah, this is where we disagree, I think.  I feel quite strongly that oddities such
as aliased/duplicate CPUID feature bits need to be made as visible as possible,
and well documented.  Hiding architectural quirks might save some readers a few
seconds of their time, but it can also confuse others, and more importantly, makes
it more difficult for new readers/developers to learn about the quirks.

This code _looks_ wrong, as there's no indication that CPUID_8000_0001_EDX is
unique.  I too wasn't aware of the aliases until this series, and I was very
confused by KVM's code.  The only clue that I was given was the "Don't duplicate
feature flags which are redundant with Intel!" comment in cpufeatures.h; I still
ended up digging through the APM to understand what was going on.

	kvm_cpu_cap_mask(CPUID_1_EDX,
		F(FPU) | F(VME) | F(DE) | F(PSE) |
		F(TSC) | F(MSR) | F(PAE) | F(MCE) |
		F(CX8) | F(APIC) | 0 /* Reserved */ | F(SEP) |
		F(MTRR) | F(PGE) | F(MCA) | F(CMOV) |
		F(PAT) | F(PSE36) | 0 /* PSN */ | F(CLFLUSH) |
		0 /* Reserved, DS, ACPI */ | F(MMX) |
		F(FXSR) | F(XMM) | F(XMM2) | F(SELFSNOOP) |
		0 /* HTT, TM, Reserved, PBE */
	);

	kvm_cpu_cap_mask(CPUID_8000_0001_EDX,
		F(FPU) | F(VME) | F(DE) | F(PSE) |
		F(TSC) | F(MSR) | F(PAE) | F(MCE) |
		F(CX8) | F(APIC) | 0 /* Reserved */ | F(SYSCALL) |
		F(MTRR) | F(PGE) | F(MCA) | F(CMOV) |
		F(PAT) | F(PSE36) | 0 /* Reserved */ |
		F(NX) | 0 /* Reserved */ | F(MMXEXT) | F(MMX) |
		F(FXSR) | F(FXSR_OPT) | f_gbpages | F(RDTSCP) |
		0 /* Reserved */ | f_lm | F(3DNOWEXT) | F(3DNOW)
	);

Versus this code, which hopefully elicits a "huh!?" and prompts curious readers
to go look at the definition of ALIASED_1_EDX_F() to understand why KVM is being
weird.  And if readers can't figure things out purely from ALIASED_1_EDX_F()'s
comment, then that's effectively a KVM documentation issue and should be fixed.

In other words, I want to make things like this stick out so that more developers
are aware of such quirks, i.e. to to minimize the probability of such knowledge
being lost.  I don't want the next generation of KVM developers to have to
re-discover things that can be solved by a moderately verbose comment.

	kvm_cpu_cap_init(CPUID_1_EDX,
		F(FPU),
		F(VME),
		F(DE),
		F(PSE),
		F(TSC),
		F(MSR),
		F(PAE),
		F(MCE),
		F(CX8),
		F(APIC),
		...
	);

	kvm_cpu_cap_init(CPUID_8000_0001_EDX,
		ALIASED_1_EDX_F(FPU),
		ALIASED_1_EDX_F(VME),
		ALIASED_1_EDX_F(DE),
		ALIASED_1_EDX_F(PSE),
		ALIASED_1_EDX_F(TSC),
		ALIASED_1_EDX_F(MSR),
		ALIASED_1_EDX_F(PAE),
		ALIASED_1_EDX_F(MCE),
		ALIASED_1_EDX_F(CX8),
		ALIASED_1_EDX_F(APIC),
		...
	);

> I for example didn't knew about them because these aliases are basically a
> result of AMD redoing some things in the spec their way when they just
> released first 64-bit extensions.  I didn't follow the x86 ISA closely back
> then (I only had 32 bit systems to play with).
> 
> Best regards,
> 	Maxim Levitsky
> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-27 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 185+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-17 17:38 [PATCH v2 00/49] KVM: x86: CPUID overhaul, fixes, and caching Sean Christopherson
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 01/49] KVM: x86: Do all post-set CPUID processing during vCPU creation Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  0:48   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-08 18:46     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 17:24       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 02/49] KVM: x86: Explicitly do runtime CPUID updates "after" initial setup Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  0:51   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-09 19:46     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 17:24       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 03/49] KVM: x86: Account for KVM-reserved CR4 bits when passing through CR4 on VMX Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  0:55   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-09 19:58     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 17:28       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 04/49] KVM: selftests: Update x86's set_sregs_test to match KVM's CPUID enforcement Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  0:55   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 05/49] KVM: selftests: Assert that the @cpuid passed to get_cpuid_entry() is non-NULL Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  0:58   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-08 19:33     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 17:28       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-11-21 18:57         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 06/49] KVM: selftests: Refresh vCPU CPUID cache in __vcpu_get_cpuid_entry() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  0:59   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 07/49] KVM: selftests: Verify KVM stuffs runtime CPUID OS bits on CR4 writes Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:02   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-08 19:39     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 08/49] KVM: x86: Move __kvm_is_valid_cr4() definition to x86.h Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:02   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 09/49] KVM: x86/pmu: Drop now-redundant refresh() during init() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:02   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 10/49] KVM: x86: Drop now-redundant MAXPHYADDR and GPA rsvd bits from vCPU creation Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:13   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-08 19:53     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 17:30       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 11/49] KVM: x86: Disallow KVM_CAP_X86_DISABLE_EXITS after " Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:17   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-08 19:43     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 17:31       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-25 18:07         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-12  7:42   ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 12/49] KVM: x86: Reject disabling of MWAIT/HLT interception when not allowed Sean Christopherson
2024-05-22  5:09   ` Binbin Wu
2024-05-28 18:56     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:17   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-12  7:51   ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-07-12 13:31     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 13/49] KVM: selftests: Fix a bad TEST_REQUIRE() in x86's KVM PV test Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:17   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 14/49] KVM: selftests: Update x86's KVM PV test to match KVM's disabling exits behavior Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:17   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 15/49] KVM: x86: Zero out PV features cache when the CPUID leaf is not present Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:17   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 16/49] KVM: x86: Don't update PV features caches when enabling enforcement capability Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:17   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 17/49] KVM: x86: Do reverse CPUID sanity checks in __feature_leaf() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:17   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 18/49] KVM: x86: Account for max supported CPUID leaf when getting raw host CPUID Sean Christopherson
2024-06-19  6:17   ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-06-19  8:07     ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-07-05  1:17   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 19/49] KVM: x86: Add a macro to init CPUID features that ignore host kernel support Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:21   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-08 20:53     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 17:39       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-08 22:36     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 17:40       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 20/49] KVM: x86: Rename kvm_cpu_cap_mask() to kvm_cpu_cap_init() Sean Christopherson
2024-05-22  6:23   ` Binbin Wu
2024-05-28 18:54     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:24   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 21/49] KVM: x86: Add a macro to init CPUID features that are 64-bit only Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:24   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-17 13:31   ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-05-17 17:38 ` [PATCH v2 22/49] KVM: x86: Add a macro to precisely handle aliased 0x1.EDX CPUID features Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:25   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-08 21:08     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 17:46       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-25 18:39         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-05 11:06           ` mlevitsk
2024-08-05 22:00             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-10 20:37               ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-09-11 15:37                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-22  3:17                   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-11-27 14:38                     ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 23/49] KVM: x86: Handle kernel- and KVM-defined CPUID words in a single helper Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:28   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-08 21:18     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-17 14:00       ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-07-24 17:51       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-25 19:18         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-05 11:07           ` mlevitsk
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 24/49] KVM: x86: #undef SPEC_CTRL_SSBD in cpuid.c to avoid macro collisions Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:30   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-08 21:29     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 17:54       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-26 23:34         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-05 11:11           ` mlevitsk
2024-08-05 21:35             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-10 20:37               ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 25/49] KVM: x86: Harden CPU capabilities processing against out-of-scope features Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:31   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-09 18:11     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 17:55       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 26/49] KVM: x86: Add a macro to init CPUID features that KVM emulates in software Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:59   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-08 22:30     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 17:58       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-27  0:06         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-05 11:16           ` mlevitsk
2024-08-05 19:59             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-10 20:41               ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-09-11 16:03                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-22  3:28                   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 27/49] KVM: x86: Swap incoming guest CPUID into vCPU before massaging in KVM_SET_CPUID2 Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:32   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-08 21:37     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 28/49] KVM: x86: Clear PV_UNHALT for !HLT-exiting only when userspace sets CPUID Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:32   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 29/49] KVM: x86: Remove unnecessary caching of KVM's PV CPUID base Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:51   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-09 19:00     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 17:59       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 30/49] KVM: x86: Always operate on kvm_vcpu data in cpuid_entry2_find() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:51   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 31/49] KVM: x86: Move kvm_find_cpuid_entry{,_index}() up near cpuid_entry2_find() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:51   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 32/49] KVM: x86: Remove all direct usage of cpuid_entry2_find() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  1:52   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 33/49] KVM: x86: Advertise TSC_DEADLINE_TIMER in KVM_GET_SUPPORTED_CPUID Sean Christopherson
2024-05-22  9:11   ` Binbin Wu
2024-05-28 15:21     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  2:04   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-09 19:28     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 18:00       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 34/49] KVM: x86: Advertise HYPERVISOR " Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  2:04   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 35/49] KVM: x86: Add a macro to handle features that are fully VMM controlled Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  2:08   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 36/49] KVM: x86: Rename "governed features" helpers to use "guest_cpu_cap" Sean Christopherson
2024-05-22 14:23   ` Binbin Wu
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 37/49] KVM: x86: Replace guts of "governed" features with comprehensive cpu_caps Sean Christopherson
2024-06-20  2:20   ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-07-05  2:10   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-09 18:30     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 18:00       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 38/49] KVM: x86: Initialize guest cpu_caps based on guest CPUID Sean Christopherson
2024-06-20  2:24   ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-07-05  2:13   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 39/49] KVM: x86: Extract code for generating per-entry emulated CPUID information Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  2:18   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-09  0:13     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 18:00       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 40/49] KVM: x86: Initialize guest cpu_caps based on KVM support Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  2:22   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-09  0:10     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 18:01       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-29 15:34         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-05 11:16           ` mlevitsk
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 41/49] KVM: x86: Avoid double CPUID lookup when updating MWAIT at runtime Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  2:22   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 42/49] KVM: x86: Drop unnecessary check that cpuid_entry2_find() returns right leaf Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  2:22   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 43/49] KVM: x86: Update OS{XSAVE,PKE} bits in guest CPUID irrespective of host support Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  2:22   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 44/49] KVM: x86: Update guest cpu_caps at runtime for dynamic CPUID-based features Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  2:26   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-09  0:24     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-10 20:41       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-09-11 15:41         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-22  2:11           ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 45/49] KVM: x86: Shuffle code to prepare for dropping guest_cpuid_has() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  2:26   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 46/49] KVM: x86: Replace (almost) all guest CPUID feature queries with cpu_caps Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  2:34   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-09 19:20     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 18:01       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 47/49] KVM: x86: Drop superfluous host XSAVE check when adjusting guest XSAVES caps Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  2:36   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-09 19:15     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 18:02       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 48/49] KVM: x86: Add a macro for features that are synthesized into boot_cpu_data Sean Christopherson
2024-07-05  2:43   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-07-09 21:13     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-24 18:04       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-05-17 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 49/49] *** DO NOT APPLY *** KVM: x86: Verify KVM initializes all consumed guest caps Sean Christopherson
2024-05-17 17:54 ` [PATCH v2 00/49] KVM: x86: CPUID overhaul, fixes, and caching Paolo Bonzini

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