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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] vmalloc: Account memcg per vmalloc
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 20:20:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z1n0FFZ_oMYKcUiP@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <keho5no2wg666yjtkb5lflxwezgbzavue5ytydqm7pm7w62ctt@q6zg7t56gf4b>

On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 11:32:13AM -0800, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 04:50:39PM +0000, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > Perhaps you'd be more persuaded by:
> > 
> > (a) If we clear __GFP_ACCOUNT then alloc_pages_bulk() will work, and
> > that's a pretty significant performance win over calling alloc_pages()
> > in a loop.
> > 
> > (b) Once we get to memdescs, calling alloc_pages() with __GFP_ACCOUNT
> > set is going to require allocating a memdesc to store the obj_cgroup
> > in, so in the future we'll save an allocation.
> > 
> > Your proposed alternative will work and is way less churn.  But it's
> > not preparing us for memdescs ;-)
> 
> We can make alloc_pages_bulk() work with __GFP_ACCOUNT but your second
> argument is more compelling.
> 
> I am trying to think of what will we miss if we remove this per-page
> memcg metadata. One thing I can think of is debugging a live system
> or kdump where I need to track where a given page came from. I think

Umm, I don't think you know which vmalloc allocation a page came from
today?  I've sent patches to add that information before, but they were
rejected.  In fact, I don't think we know even _that_ a page belongs to
vmalloc today, do we?  Yes, we know that the page is accounted, and
which memcg it belongs to ... but nothing more.

I actually want to improve this, without adding additional overhead.
What I'm working on right now (before I got waylaid by this bug) is:

+struct choir {
+       struct kref refcount;
+       unsigned int nr;
+       struct page *pages[] __counted_by(nr);
+};

and rewriting vmalloc to be based on choirs instead of its own pages.
One thing I've come to realise today is that the obj_cgroup pointer
needs to be in the choir and not in the vm_struct so that we uncharge the
allocation when the choir refcount drops to 0, not when the allocation
is unmapped.

A regular choir allocation will (today) mark the pages in it as being
allocated to a choir (and thus not having their own refcount / mapcount),
but I'll give vmalloc a way to mark the pages as specifically being
from vmalloc.

There's a lot of moving parts to this ... it's proving quite tricky!

> I think we can go with Johannes' solution for stable and discuss the
> future direction more separately.

OK, I'll send a patch to do that.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-11 20:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-11  4:32 [PATCH 1/2] vmalloc: Fix accounting of VmallocUsed with i915 Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2024-12-11  4:32 ` [PATCH 2/2] vmalloc: Account memcg per vmalloc Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2024-12-11  5:06   ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-11 16:09   ` Johannes Weiner
2024-12-11 16:50     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-11 19:32       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-11 20:20         ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2024-12-11 20:58           ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-11 21:08             ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-11 22:17   ` kernel test robot
2024-12-11 23:36   ` kernel test robot
2024-12-11 15:32 ` [PATCH 1/2] vmalloc: Fix accounting of VmallocUsed with i915 Johannes Weiner
2024-12-11 20:45 ` Shakeel Butt

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