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From: Joe Damato <jdamato@fastly.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Samiullah Khawaja <skhawaja@google.com>,
	"David S . Miller " <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, mkarsten@uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 0/3] Add support to do threaded napi busy poll
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:25:10 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z37RFvD03cctrtTO@LQ3V64L9R2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250102164714.0d849aaf@kernel.org>

On Thu, Jan 02, 2025 at 04:47:14PM -0800, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Thu,  2 Jan 2025 19:12:24 +0000 Samiullah Khawaja wrote:
> > Extend the already existing support of threaded napi poll to do continuous
> > busypolling.
> > 
> > This is used for doing continuous polling of napi to fetch descriptors from
> > backing RX/TX queues for low latency applications. Allow enabling of threaded
> > busypoll using netlink so this can be enabled on a set of dedicated napis for
> > low latency applications.
> 
> This is lacking clear justification and experimental results
> vs doing the same thing from user space.

Apologies for chiming in late here as I was out of the office, but I
agree with Jakub and Stanislav:

- This lacks clear justification and data to compare packet delivery
  mechanisms. IMHO, at a minimum a real world application should be
  benchmarked and various packet delivery mechanisms (including this
  one) should be compared side-by-side. You don't need to do exactly
  what Martin and I did [1], but I'd offer that as a possible
  suggestion for how you might proceed if you need some suggestions.

- This should include a test of some sort; perhaps expanding the test
  I added (as Stanislav suggested) would be a good start?

- IMHO, this change should also include updated kernel documentation
  to clearly explain how, when, and why a user might use this and
  what tradeoffs a user can expect. The commit message is, IMHO, far
  too vague.

  Including example code snippets or ynl invocations etc in the
  kernel documentation would be very helpful.

> I'd also appreciate if Google could share the experience and results
> of using basic threaded NAPI _in production_.

+1; this data would be very insightful.

[1]: https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/20241109050245.191288-1-jdamato@fastly.com/

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-08 19:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-02 19:12 [PATCH net-next 0/3] Add support to do threaded napi busy poll Samiullah Khawaja
2025-01-02 19:12 ` [PATCH net-next 1/3] Add support to set napi threaded for individual napi Samiullah Khawaja
2025-01-02 21:15   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-01-02 19:12 ` [PATCH net-next 2/3] net: Create separate gro_flush helper function Samiullah Khawaja
2025-01-02 19:12 ` [PATCH net-next 3/3] Extend napi threaded polling to allow kthread based busy polling Samiullah Khawaja
2025-01-02 21:16   ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2025-01-02 21:28   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-01-03  1:05   ` kernel test robot
2025-01-03  8:11   ` kernel test robot
2025-01-03  8:12   ` kernel test robot
2025-01-02 21:30 ` [PATCH net-next 0/3] Add support to do threaded napi busy poll Stanislav Fomichev
2025-01-02 21:56 ` David Laight
2025-01-03  0:47 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-01-08 19:25   ` Joe Damato [this message]
2025-01-08 21:18     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2025-01-08 21:53       ` Martin Karsten
2025-01-15 22:35         ` Samiullah Khawaja
2025-01-16  0:28           ` Martin Karsten

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