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From: Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com>
To: Li Li <dualli@chromium.org>
Cc: dualli@google.com, corbet@lwn.net, davem@davemloft.net,
	edumazet@google.com, kuba@kernel.org, pabeni@redhat.com,
	donald.hunter@gmail.com, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	arve@android.com, tkjos@android.com, maco@android.com,
	joel@joelfernandes.org, brauner@kernel.org, surenb@google.com,
	arnd@arndb.de, masahiroy@kernel.org, bagasdotme@gmail.com,
	horms@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	hridya@google.com, smoreland@google.com, kernel-team@android.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 2/2] binder: report txn errors via generic netlink
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2025 18:51:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z4Aaz4F_oS-rJ4ij@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANBPYPi6O827JiJjEhL_QUztNXHSZA9iVSyzuXPNNgZdOzGk=Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 07, 2025 at 04:00:39PM -0800, Li Li wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2025 at 1:41 PM Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 07, 2025 at 09:29:08PM +0000, Carlos Llamas wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 12:37:40PM -0800, Li Li wrote:
> > > > From: Li Li <dualli@google.com>
> > >
> > > > @@ -6137,6 +6264,11 @@ static int binder_release(struct inode *nodp, struct file *filp)
> > > >
> > > >     binder_defer_work(proc, BINDER_DEFERRED_RELEASE);
> > > >
> > > > +   if (proc->pid == proc->context->report_portid) {
> > > > +           proc->context->report_portid = 0;
> > > > +           proc->context->report_flags = 0;
> > >
> > > Isn't ->portid the pid from the netlink report manager? How is this ever
> > > going to match a certain proc->pid here? Is this manager supposed to
> > > _also_ open a regular binder fd?
> > >
> > > It seems we are tying the cleanup of the netlink interface to the exit
> > > of the regular binder device, correct? This seems unfortunate as using
> > > the netlink interface should be independent.
> > >
> > > I was playing around with this patch with my own PoC and now I'm stuck:
> > >   root@debian:~# ./binder-netlink
> > >   ./binder-netlink: nlmsgerr No permission to set flags from 1301: Unknown error -1
> > >
> > > Is there a different way to reset the protid?
> > >
> >
> > Furthermore, this seems to be a problem when the report manager exits
> > without a binder instance, we still think the report is enabled:
> >
> > [  202.821346] binder: Failed to send binder netlink message to 597: -111
> > [  202.821421] binder: Failed to send binder netlink message to 597: -111
> > [  202.821304] binder: Failed to send binder netlink message to 597: -111
> > [  202.821306] binder: Failed to send binder netlink message to 597: -111
> > [  202.821387] binder: Failed to send binder netlink message to 597: -111
> > [  202.821464] binder: Failed to send binder netlink message to 597: -111
> > [  202.821467] binder: Failed to send binder netlink message to 597: -111
> > [  202.821344] binder: Failed to send binder netlink message to 597: -111
> > [  202.822513] binder: Failed to send binder netlink message to 597: -111
> > [  202.822152] binder: Failed to send binder netlink message to 597: -111
> > [  202.822683] binder: Failed to send binder netlink message to 597: -111
> > [  202.822629] binder: Failed to send binder netlink message to 597: -111
> 
> As the file path (linux/drivers/android/binder.c) suggested,
> binder driver is designed to work as the essential IPC in the
> Android OS, where binder is used by all system and user apps.
> 
> So the binder netlink is designed to be used with binder IPC.
> 
> The manager service also uses the binder interface to communicate
> to all other processes. When it exits, the binder file is closed,
> where the netlink interface is reset.

Did you happen to look into netlink_register_notifier()? That seems like
an option to keep the device vs netlink socket interface from mixing up.
I believe we could check for NETLINK_URELEASE events and do the cleanup
then. I'll do a quick try.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-01-09 18:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-18 20:37 [PATCH v11 0/2] binder: report txn errors via generic netlink Li Li
2024-12-18 20:37 ` [PATCH v11 1/2] binderfs: add new binder devices to binder_devices Li Li
2024-12-18 20:37 ` [PATCH v11 2/2] binder: report txn errors via generic netlink Li Li
2025-01-07 21:29   ` Carlos Llamas
2025-01-07 21:41     ` Carlos Llamas
2025-01-08  0:00       ` Li Li
2025-01-08 19:07         ` Carlos Llamas
2025-01-08 19:56           ` Li Li
2025-01-08 21:59             ` Carlos Llamas
2025-01-09 18:51         ` Carlos Llamas [this message]
2025-01-09 19:30           ` Carlos Llamas
2025-01-09 19:48             ` Li Li
2025-01-09 20:13               ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-01-09 23:19                 ` Carlos Llamas
2025-01-10  0:18                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-01-14  6:01                     ` Li Li
2025-01-14 18:32                       ` Jakub Kicinski

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