Re: [PATCH 0/2] support block encryption/decryption in parallel

["Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>]

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 01:37:44PM +0100, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> Am 13.12.2024 um 16:56 hat Daniel P. Berrangé geschrieben:
> > On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 06:51:20PM +0800, tugy@chinatelecom.cn wrote:
> > > From: Guoyi Tu <tugy@chinatelecom.cn>
> > > 
> > > Currently, disk I/O encryption and decryption operations are performed sequentially
> > > in the main thread or IOthread. When the number of I/O requests increases,
> > > this becomes a performance bottleneck.
> > > 
> > > To address this issue, this patch use thread pool to perform I/O encryption
> > > and decryption in parallel, improving overall efficiency.
> > 
> > We already have support for parallel encryption through use of IO threads
> > since approximately this commit:
> > 
> >   commit af206c284e4c1b17cdfb0f17e898b288c0fc1751
> >   Author: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
> >   Date:   Mon May 27 11:58:50 2024 -0400
> > 
> >     block/crypto: create ciphers on demand
> >     
> >     Ciphers are pre-allocated by qcrypto_block_init_cipher() depending on
> >     the given number of threads. The -device
> >     virtio-blk-pci,iothread-vq-mapping= feature allows users to assign
> >     multiple IOThreads to a virtio-blk device, but the association between
> >     the virtio-blk device and the block driver happens after the block
> >     driver is already open.
> >     
> >     When the number of threads given to qcrypto_block_init_cipher() is
> >     smaller than the actual number of threads at runtime, the
> >     block->n_free_ciphers > 0 assertion in qcrypto_block_pop_cipher() can
> >     fail.
> >     
> >     Get rid of qcrypto_block_init_cipher() n_thread's argument and allocate
> >     ciphers on demand.
> > 
> > 
> > Say we have QEMU pinned to 4 host CPUs, and we've setup 4 IO threads
> > for the disk, then encryption can max out 4 host CPUs worth of resource.
> 
> This is a lot of "if"s. Even just that it requires explicit
> configuration and doesn't work out of the box would be a strong point
> for me why having something that works by default (like a thread pool)
> is worth it.
> 
> You're assuming that it's even possible to setup 4 iothreads which share
> the load evenly. That's not a given at all. The only device that can
> even make use of more than one iothread is virtio-blk. (And if we're
> looking at all devices that exist in QEMU, most devices can't even make
> use of a single iothread!) But if you do have a virtio-blk device, then
> that setup means one iothread per queue. In a Linux guest, if all I/O
> comes from a single CPU, then it will use the same queue and we'll have
> three idle iothreads and one that is overloaded.
> 
> So in order to achieve a similar effect with iothreads, you must be
> using virtio-blk, you must explicitly configure four iothreads and four
> mappings of virtqueues to iothreads, and you must run a workload in the
> guest that performs I/O from four different threads running on different
> CPUs.
> 
> There are certainly good use cases for iothreads, but with this number
> of preconditions, I don't think we can assume that they make it
> unnecessary to parallelise things in other ways, too.

Ok thanks for the background, that all makes sense as a justification.
Lets capture a summary of this in the commit message.

> > How is this new proposed way to use a thread pool going to do better
> > than that in an apples-to-apples comparison ? ie allow same number
> > of host CPUs for both. The fundamental limit is still the AES performance
> > of the host CPU(s) that you allow QEMU to execute work on. If the thread
> > pool is allowed to use 4 host CPUs, it shouldn't be significantly different
> > from allowing use of 4 host CPUs for I/O threads surely ?
> > 
> > Having multiple different ways to support parallel encryption is not
> > ideal. If there's something I/O threads can't do optimally right
> > now, is it practical to make them work better ?
> 
> The limitations inside the guest obviously can't be changed by QEMU.
> 
> We could in theory add iothread support to more devices, though if they
> don't have a concept of multiple queues that could be processed by
> different threads, it's pretty pointless (apart from working around
> limitations in the backends like you're suggesting here).
> 
> And of course, the most interesting one would be solving the
> out-of-the-box aspect. This is far from trivial, because the optimal
> configuration really depends on your workload, and nothing on the host
> can know automatically what will eventually run in the guest. So it will
> be tough finding defaults that improve this case without also hurting
> other cases.

Yes, understood, I was missing the impact of the guest usage model.

With regards,
Daniel
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