From: Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>
To: Vitaly Wool <vitaly.wool@konsulko.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
Seth Jennings <sjenning@redhat.com>,
Dan Streetman <ddstreet@ieee.org>,
WANG Xuerui <kernel@xen0n.name>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
loongarch@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: zbud: deprecate CONFIG_ZBUD
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2025 15:35:07 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z5j5K6DqU5JnltyX@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAM4kBBKdhSyX4_+L0b1o+Abxg0LPgO=SzJ_d6wWJyNbq7DxjKg@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 11:29:07AM +0100, Vitaly Wool wrote:
> Hi Yosry,
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 12:58 AM Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev> wrote:
>
> > The zbud compressed pages allocator is rarely used, most users use
> > zsmalloc. zbud consumes much more memory (only stores 1 or 2 compressed
> > pages per physical page). The only advantage of zbud is a marginal
> > performance improvement that by no means justify the memory overhead.
> >
> > Historically, zsmalloc had significantly worse latency than zbud and
> > z3fold but offered better memory savings. This is no longer the case as
> > shown by a simple recent analysis [1]. In a kernel build test on tmpfs
> > in a limited cgroup, zbud 2-3% less time than zsmalloc, but at the cost
> > of using ~32% more memory (1.5G vs 1.13G). The tradeoff does not make
> > sense for zbud in any practical scenario.
> >
> > The only alleged advantage of zbud is not having the dependency on
> > CONFIG_MMU, but CONFIG_SWAP already depends on CONFIG_MMU anyway, and
> > zbud is only used by zswap.
> >
> > Following in the footsteps of [2], which deprecated z3fold, deprecated
> > zbud as planned and remove it in a few cycles if no objections are
> > raised from active users.
> >
> > Rename the user-visible config options so that users with CONFIG_ZBUD=y
> > get a new prompt with explanation during make oldconfig. Also, remove
> > CONFIG_ZBUD from defconfig.
> >
> > [1]
> > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAJD7tkbRF6od-2x_L8-A1QL3=2Ww13sCj4S3i4bNndqF+3+_Vg@mail.gmail.com/
> > [2]
> > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240904233343.933462-1-yosryahmed@google.com/
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>
> >
>
> Let me disagree here. The footprint for zbud and the ability to work in
> MMU-less setups make it self sufficient and I don't support its deprecation.
> I can give a formal NAK if that's required.
What's the advtange of the ability to work on MMU-less setups when
CONFIG_SWAP itself depends on MMU? Please elaborate.
I agree that zbud has a smaller footprint, but I don't think that's
enough reason to keep it around if it's not being used, especially that
its memory utilization is really low.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-01-28 15:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-01-27 23:58 [PATCH 1/2] mm: zbud: deprecate CONFIG_ZBUD Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-28 10:14 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-01-28 15:27 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-28 10:21 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-28 15:30 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-28 16:04 ` Seth Jennings
2025-01-28 16:45 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-28 10:29 ` Vitaly Wool
2025-01-28 15:35 ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2025-01-28 16:57 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-01-28 18:09 ` Nhat Pham
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