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From: Simona Vetter <simona.vetter@ffwll.ch>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: "Alistair Popple" <apopple@nvidia.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 4/4] mm/memory: document restore_exclusive_pte()
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2025 14:31:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z5t_RebEx6Mj-KlT@phenom.ffwll.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cfc4f8ac-80c4-472f-85fc-36ffcd212441@redhat.com>

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 10:37:06AM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 30.01.25 01:27, Alistair Popple wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 12:58:02PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > Let's document how this function is to be used, and why the requirement
> > > for the folio lock might maybe be dropped in the future.
> > 
> > Sorry, only just catching up on your other thread. The folio lock was to ensure
> > the GPU got a chance to make forward progress by mapping the page. Without it
> > the CPU could immediately invalidate the entry before the GPU had a chance to
> > retry the fault.
> > > Obviously performance wise having such thrashing is terrible, so should
> > really be avoided by userspace, but the lock at least allowed such programs
> > to complete.
> 
> Thanks for the clarification. So it's relevant that the MMU notifier in
> remove_device_exclusive_entry() is sent after taking the folio lock.
> 
> However, as soon as we drop the folio lock, remove_device_exclusive_entry()
> will become active, lock the folio and trigger the MMU notifier.
> 
> So the time it is actually mapped into the device is rather

Looks like you cut off a bit here (or mail transport did that somewhere),
but see my other reply I don't think this is a legit use-case. So we don't
have to worry. Well beyond documenting that if userspace concurrently thrashes
the same page with both device atomics and cpu access it will stall real
bad.
-Sima
-- 
Simona Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-30 13:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-29 11:57 [PATCH v1 0/4] mm: cleanups for device-exclusive entries (hmm) David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:57 ` [PATCH v1 1/4] lib/test_hmm: make dmirror_atomic_map() consume a single page David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  0:29   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-29 11:58 ` [PATCH v1 2/4] mm/mmu_notifier: drop owner from MMU_NOTIFY_EXCLUSIVE David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  5:34   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-30  9:28     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 13:29       ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 15:26         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:58 ` [PATCH v1 3/4] mm/memory: pass folio and pte to restore_exclusive_pte() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  5:37   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-29 11:58 ` [PATCH v1 4/4] mm/memory: document restore_exclusive_pte() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  0:27   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-30  9:37     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 13:31       ` Simona Vetter [this message]
2025-01-30 15:29         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-31  0:14           ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-31 17:20             ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 10:43     ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-31  0:20       ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-31  9:15         ` David Hildenbrand

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