From: "hch@infradead.org" <hch@infradead.org>
To: Qu Wenruo <wqu@suse.com>
Cc: "hch@infradead.org" <hch@infradead.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Johannes Thumshirn <Johannes.Thumshirn@wdc.com>,
Kanchan Joshi <joshi.k@samsung.com>,
Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
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Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] File system checksum offload
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 00:57:12 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z6CE6GzkldcEGPSQ@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <26a5ee76-3e5c-441d-b335-41ee4c879e0e@suse.com>
On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 07:21:08PM +1030, Qu Wenruo wrote:
> That always falling-back-to-buffered-IO sounds pretty good.
> (For NODATASUM inodes, we do not need to fallback though).
Yes, that's what I meant above.
>
> The only concern is performance.
> I guess even for the uncached write it still involves some extra folio copy,
> thus not completely the same performance level of direct IO?
In general buffered I/O is going to be slower, but at least the uncached
mode will avoid the cache pollution.
> And always falling back (for inodes with datacsum) may also sound a little
> overkilled.
> If the program is properly coded, and no contents change halfway, we always
> pay the performance penalty but without really any extra benefit.
But you don't know that, and people have very different expectations for
"properly coded" :) So I'd opt for the safe variant (copy) an allow an
opt-in for the faster but less safe variant (realy direct I/O without
copy with checksums). And hopefully we can eventually find a version
that will bounce buffer when modifying pages that are in-flight for
direct I/O which would be safe and fast.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-03 8:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2025-01-30 9:15 ` [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] File system checksum offload Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-30 14:28 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-01-30 20:39 ` [Lsf-pc] " Martin K. Petersen
2025-01-31 4:40 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-01-31 7:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-31 13:11 ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-02-03 7:47 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2025-02-03 7:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-03 8:04 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2025-02-03 8:06 ` hch
2025-02-03 8:16 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-02-03 8:26 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-02-03 8:30 ` hch
2025-02-03 8:36 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-02-03 8:40 ` hch
2025-02-03 8:51 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-02-03 8:57 ` hch [this message]
2025-02-03 8:26 ` hch
2025-02-03 13:27 ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-02-03 23:17 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-02-04 5:48 ` hch
2025-02-04 5:16 ` hch
2025-03-18 7:06 ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-03-18 8:07 ` hch
2025-03-19 18:06 ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-03-20 5:48 ` hch
2025-02-03 13:32 ` Kanchan Joshi
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