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[170.10.133.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ada2fe7eead31-4ba7792dce8si382929137.648.2025.02.06.10.06.15 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 06 Feb 2025 10:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of berrange@redhat.com designates 170.10.133.124 as permitted sender) client-ip=170.10.133.124; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@redhat.com header.s=mimecast20190719 header.b=gL4RFGhI; spf=pass (google.com: domain of berrange@redhat.com designates 170.10.133.124 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=berrange@redhat.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=redhat.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1738865175; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=v6wrJkl8iD3Af1SvsGrx5XFdEu+raOiX0r3Usn+dwDA=; b=gL4RFGhIUgHmvjeS5zDqBWPvoyXCIKtnFtj+6UiCoSy+DWaT/k7ssCFhei2xvIQjFQWO5e 70pVBXPcI0ewOySbJsQopO229D6jNBf2jkmriTZDBvciEJ9e6xOkEQmCHjfVt2QN48y6Q2 exnJL8HkdCYJmwwAcFVFz8gW4ELtmz4= Received: from mx-prod-mc-01.mail-002.prod.us-west-2.aws.redhat.com (ec2-54-186-198-63.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com [54.186.198.63]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.3, cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-404-46Sb7WBqO6iiJZO5xcyPPQ-1; Thu, 06 Feb 2025 13:06:12 -0500 X-MC-Unique: 46Sb7WBqO6iiJZO5xcyPPQ-1 X-Mimecast-MFC-AGG-ID: 46Sb7WBqO6iiJZO5xcyPPQ Received: from mx-prod-int-03.mail-002.prod.us-west-2.aws.redhat.com (mx-prod-int-03.mail-002.prod.us-west-2.aws.redhat.com [10.30.177.12]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx-prod-mc-01.mail-002.prod.us-west-2.aws.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BBC7195608E; Thu, 6 Feb 2025 18:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from redhat.com (unknown [10.42.28.33]) by mx-prod-int-03.mail-002.prod.us-west-2.aws.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7F3A1955BCB; Thu, 6 Feb 2025 18:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2025 18:06:02 +0000 From: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= To: Philippe =?utf-8?Q?Mathieu-Daud=C3=A9?= Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-arm@nongnu.org, Anton Johansson , Jason Wang , Paolo Bonzini , Alistair Francis , Thomas Huth , Richard Henderson , Peter Maydell , "Edgar E. Iglesias" , Markus Armbruster , Alex =?utf-8?Q?Benn=C3=A9e?= Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 11/16] hw/microblaze: Support various endianness for s3adsp1800 machines Message-ID: Reply-To: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= References: <20250206131052.30207-1-philmd@linaro.org> <20250206131052.30207-12-philmd@linaro.org> <4624f149-76d0-4da5-8f13-8c015043c335@linaro.org> <3156dc3b-9553-4b5f-a934-f29ee0601887@linaro.org> <63f1130e-a30d-4416-ae74-374f1fd94dbe@linaro.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <63f1130e-a30d-4416-ae74-374f1fd94dbe@linaro.org> User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.13 (2024-03-09) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.0 on 10.30.177.12 X-TUID: qXXnsCOZkB0M On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 06:49:38PM +0100, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > On 6/2/25 18:12, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 04:04:20PM +0100, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > > > On 6/2/25 15:31, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 02:53:58PM +0100, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > > > > > On 6/2/25 14:20, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 02:10:47PM +0100, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > > > > > > > Introduce an abstract machine parent class which defines > > > > > > > the 'little_endian' property. Duplicate the current machine, > > > > > > > which endian is tied to the binary endianness, to one big > > > > > > > endian and a little endian machine; updating the machine > > > > > > > description. Keep the current default machine for each binary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'petalogix-s3adsp1800' machine is aliased as: > > > > > > > - 'petalogix-s3adsp1800-be' on big-endian binary, > > > > > > > - 'petalogix-s3adsp1800-le' on little-endian one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it makes sense to expose these as different machine types ? > > > > > > > > > > > > If all the HW is identical in both cases, it feels like the > > > > > > endianness could just be a bool property of the machine type, > > > > > > rather than a new machine type. > > > > > > > > > > Our test suites expect "qemu-system-foo -M bar" to work out of > > > > > the box, we can not have non-default properties. > > > > > > > > > > (This is related to the raspberry pi discussion in > > > > > https://lore.kernel.org/qemu-devel/20250204002240.97830-1-philmd@linaro.org/). > > > > > > > > > > My plan is to deprecate 'petalogix-s3adsp1800', so once we > > > > > remove it we can merge both qemu-system-microblaze and > > > > > qemu-system-microblazeel into a single binary. > > > > > > > > > > If you don't want to add more machines, what should be the > > > > > endianness of the 'petalogix-s3adsp1800' machine in a binary > > > > > with no particular endianness? Either we add for explicit > > > > > endianness (fixing test suites) or we add one machine for > > > > > each endianness; I fail to see other options not too > > > > > confusing for our users. > > > > > > > > We would pick an arbitrary endianness of our choosing > > > > I guess. How does this work in physical machines ? Is > > > > the choice of endianess a firmware setting, or a choice > > > > by the vendor when manufacturing in some way ? > > > > > > Like MIPS*, SH4* and Xtensa*, it is a jumper on the board > > > (wired to a CPU pin which is sampled once at cold reset). > > > > That makes me thing even more it is just a machine type property. > > I'm happy with a machine property, this was even my first approach > using OnOffAuto until I ran the test-suite and have qom-introspection > failing. > > What should be the default? > > Per the SH4 datasheet: > > Bit 31—Endian Flag (ENDIAN): Samples the value of the endian > specification external pin (MD5) in a power-on reset by the > RESET pin. The endian mode of all spaces is determined by this > bit. ENDIAN is a read-only bit. > > There is no default per the spec, and I believe using one is > a mistake. If it is left as an unspecified choice in the spec, then I would presume HW vendors are picking an option based on what they expect "most" common usage to be amongst their customers. IOW, if we know of typically used guest OS prefer big or little, that could influence our choice. With regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :|