Re: [RFC PATCH] block, fs: use FOLL_LONGTERM as gup_flags for direct IO

[Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>]

On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 08:38:07AM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> I might be wrong but my understanding is that we should try to
> allocate from CMA when the allocation is movable (not pinned), so that
> CMA can move those pages if necessary. I understand that in some cases
> a movable allocation can be pinned and we don't know beforehand
> whether it will be pinned or not. But in this case we know it will
> happen and could avoid this situation.

Any file or anonymous folio can be temporarily pinned for I/O and only
moved once that completes.  Direct I/O is one use case for that but there
are plenty others.  I'm not sure how you define "beforehand", but the
pinning is visible in the _pincount field.

> Yeah, low latency usecases for CMA are problematic and I think the
> only current alternative (apart from solutions involving HW change) is
> to use a memory carveouts. Device vendors hate that since carved-out
> memory ends up poorly utilized. I'm working on a GCMA proposal which
> hopefully can address that.

I'd still like to understand what the use case is.  Who does CMA
allocation at a time where heavy direct I/O is in progress?