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From: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Aaron Tomlin <atomlin@atomlin.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 01/13] vmstat: allow_direct_reclaim should use zone_page_state_snapshot
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2023 15:32:15 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZBimr/DeUhcf7I5D@tpad> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZBikEKiM3NcWOP/p@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 07:21:04PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Mon 20-03-23 15:03:33, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > A customer provided evidence indicating that a process
> > was stalled in direct reclaim:
> > 
> >  - The process was trapped in throttle_direct_reclaim().
> >    The function wait_event_killable() was called to wait condition     
> >    allow_direct_reclaim(pgdat) for current node to be true.     
> >    The allow_direct_reclaim(pgdat) examined the number of free pages     
> >    on the node by zone_page_state() which just returns value in     
> >    zone->vm_stat[NR_FREE_PAGES].     
> >                                                 
> >  - On node #1, zone->vm_stat[NR_FREE_PAGES] was 0.            
> >    However, the freelist on this node was not empty.     
> >                            
> >  - This inconsistent of vmstat value was caused by percpu vmstat on     
> >    nohz_full cpus. Every increment/decrement of vmstat is performed     
> >    on percpu vmstat counter at first, then pooled diffs are cumulated     
> >    to the zone's vmstat counter in timely manner. However, on nohz_full     
> >    cpus (in case of this customer's system, 48 of 52 cpus) these pooled     
> >    diffs were not cumulated once the cpu had no event on it so that     
> >    the cpu started sleeping infinitely.                       
> >    I checked percpu vmstat and found there were total 69 counts not         
> >    cumulated to the zone's vmstat counter yet.     
> >                                          
> >  - In this situation, kswapd did not help the trapped process.     
> >    In pgdat_balanced(), zone_wakermark_ok_safe() examined the number     
> >    of free pages on the node by zone_page_state_snapshot() which     
> >    checks pending counts on percpu vmstat.     
> >    Therefore kswapd could know there were 69 free pages correctly.     
> >    Since zone->_watermark = {8, 20, 32}, kswapd did not work because     
> >    69 was greater than 32 as high watermark.     
> > 
> > Change allow_direct_reclaim to use zone_page_state_snapshot, which
> > allows a more precise version of the vmstat counters to be used.
> > 
> > allow_direct_reclaim will only be called from try_to_free_pages,
> > which is not a hot path.
> 
> Have you managed to test this patch to confirm it addresses the above
> issue? It should but better double check that.
> 
> > Suggested-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
> 
> The patch makes sense regardless but a note about testing should be
> added.
> 
> Acked-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>

Michal,

The patch has not been tested in the original setup where the problem 
was found, however i don't think its easy to do that validation
(checking with the reporter anyway).

Perhaps one could find a synthetic reproducer.

It is pretty easy to note that, on an isolated nohz_full CPU, the 
deferrable timer that is queued on it (timer which should queue vmstat_update
on that CPU) does not execute for long periods.
This makes the global stats stale (since per-CPU free pages can become
stale for as long as the CPU has tick processing stopped).
Which matches the data available.

Thanks!



  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-21 12:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-20 18:03 [PATCH v7 00/13] fold per-CPU vmstats remotely Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 01/13] vmstat: allow_direct_reclaim should use zone_page_state_snapshot Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:21   ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-20 18:32     ` Marcelo Tosatti [this message]
2023-03-22 10:03       ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 02/13] this_cpu_cmpxchg: ARM64: switch this_cpu_cmpxchg to locked, add _local function Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 03/13] this_cpu_cmpxchg: loongarch: " Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 04/13] this_cpu_cmpxchg: S390: " Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 05/13] this_cpu_cmpxchg: x86: " Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 06/13] add this_cpu_cmpxchg_local and asm-generic definitions Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 07/13] convert this_cpu_cmpxchg users to this_cpu_cmpxchg_local Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 08/13] mm/vmstat: switch counter modification to cmpxchg Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 09/13] vmstat: switch per-cpu vmstat counters to 32-bits Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 10/13] mm/vmstat: use xchg in cpu_vm_stats_fold Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 11/13] mm/vmstat: switch vmstat shepherd to flush per-CPU counters remotely Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 12/13] mm/vmstat: refresh stats remotely instead of via work item Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 13/13] vmstat: add pcp remote node draining via cpu_vm_stats_fold Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 20:43   ` Tim Chen
2023-03-22  1:20     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:25 ` [PATCH v7 00/13] fold per-CPU vmstats remotely Michal Hocko
2023-03-20 19:07   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-22 10:13     ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-22 11:23       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-22 13:35         ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-22 14:20           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-23  7:51             ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-23 10:52               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-23 10:59                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-23 12:17                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-23 13:30                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-23 13:32                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-18 22:02 ` Andrew Morton
2023-04-19 11:14   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-19 11:15     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-19 13:44       ` Andrew Theurer
2023-04-20  7:55         ` Michal Hocko
2023-04-23  1:25           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-19 11:29     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-19 11:59       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-19 12:24         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-04-19 13:48           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-19 14:35             ` Michal Hocko
2023-04-19 16:35               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-20  8:40                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-04-23  1:10                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-20 13:45                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-26 14:34                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-27  8:31                     ` Michal Hocko
2023-04-27 14:59                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-26 15:04                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-04-26 16:10                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-27  8:39                       ` Michal Hocko
2023-04-27 16:25                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-19 16:47       ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-04-19 19:15         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-05-03 13:51           ` Marcelo Tosatti

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