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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Anish Moorthy <amoorthy@google.com>
Cc: Isaku Yamahata <isaku.yamahata@gmail.com>,
	Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>,
	jthoughton@google.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [WIP Patch v2 04/14] KVM: x86: Add KVM_CAP_X86_MEMORY_FAULT_EXIT and associated kvm_run field
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 12:34:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZCx74RGh1/nnix6U@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF7b7moV9=w4zJhSD2XZrnZTQAP3QeO1rvyT0dMWDhYj0PDcEA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 28, 2023, Anish Moorthy wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 12:43 PM Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 21, 2023, Anish Moorthy wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 8:21 AM Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> wrote:
> > > > FWIW, I completely agree that filling KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT without guaranteeing
> > > > that KVM "immediately" exits to userspace isn't ideal, but given the amount of
> > > > historical code that we need to deal with, it seems like the lesser of all evils.
> > > > Unless I'm misunderstanding the use cases, unnecessarily filling kvm_run is a far
> > > > better failure mode than KVM not filling kvm_run when it should, i.e. false
> > > > positives are ok, false negatives are fatal.
> > >
> > > Don't you have this in reverse?
> >
> > No, I don't think so.
> >
> > > False negatives will just result in userspace not having useful extra
> > > information for the -EFAULT it receives from KVM_RUN, in which case userspace
> > > can do what you mentioned all VMMs do today and just terminate the VM.
> >
> > And that is _really_ bad behavior if we have any hope of userspace actually being
> > able to rely on this functionality.  E.g. any false negative when userspace is
> > trying to do postcopy demand paging will be fatal to the VM.
> >
> > > Whereas a false positive might cause a double-write to the KVM_RUN struct,
> > > either putting incorrect information in kvm_run.memory_fault or
> >
> > Recording unused information on -EFAULT in kvm_run doesn't make the information
> > incorrect.
> 
> Let's say that some function (converted to annotate its EFAULTs) fills
> in kvm_run.memory_fault, but the EFAULT is suppressed from being
> returned from kvm_run. What if, later within the same kvm_run call,
> some other function (which we've completely overlooked) EFAULTs and
> that return value actually does make it out to kvm_run? Userspace
> would get stale information, which could be catastrophic.

"catastrophic" is a bit hyperbolic.  Yes, it would be bad, but at _worst_ userspace
will kill the VM, which is the status quo today.

> Actually even performing the annotations only in functions that
> currently always bubble EFAULTs to userspace still seems brittle: if
> new callers are ever added which don't bubble the EFAULTs, then we end
> up in the same situation.

Because of KVM's semi-magical '1 == resume, -errno/0 == exit' "design", that's
true for literally every exit to userspace in KVM and every VM-Exit handler.
E.g. see commit 2368048bf5c2 ("KVM: x86: Signal #GP, not -EPERM, on bad
WRMSR(MCi_CTL/STATUS)"), where KVM returned '-1' instead of '1' when rejecting
MSR accesses and inadvertantly killed the VM.  A similar bug would be if KVM
returned EFAULT instead of -EFAULT, in which case vcpu_run() would resume the
guest instead of exiting to userspace and likely put the vCPU into an infinite
loop.

Do I want to harden KVM to make things like this less brittle?  Absolutely.  Do I
think we should hold up this functionality just because it doesn't solve all of
pre-existing flaws in the related KVM code?  No.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-04 19:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-15  2:17 [WIP Patch v2 00/14] Avoiding slow get-user-pages via memory fault exit Anish Moorthy
2023-03-15  2:17 ` [WIP Patch v2 01/14] KVM: selftests: Allow many vCPUs and reader threads per UFFD in demand paging test Anish Moorthy
2023-03-15  2:17 ` [WIP Patch v2 02/14] KVM: selftests: Use EPOLL in userfaultfd_util reader threads and signal errors via TEST_ASSERT Anish Moorthy
2023-03-15  2:17 ` [WIP Patch v2 03/14] KVM: Allow hva_pfn_fast to resolve read-only faults Anish Moorthy
2023-03-15  2:17 ` [WIP Patch v2 04/14] KVM: x86: Add KVM_CAP_X86_MEMORY_FAULT_EXIT and associated kvm_run field Anish Moorthy
2023-03-17  0:02   ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-03-17 18:33     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-03-17 19:30       ` Oliver Upton
2023-03-17 21:50       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-17 22:44         ` Anish Moorthy
2023-03-20 15:53           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-20 18:19             ` Anish Moorthy
2023-03-20 22:11             ` Anish Moorthy
2023-03-21 15:21               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-21 18:01                 ` Anish Moorthy
2023-03-21 19:43                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-22 21:06                     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-03-22 23:17                       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-28 22:19                     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-04 19:34                       ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2023-04-04 20:40                         ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-04 22:07                           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-04-05 20:21                             ` Anish Moorthy
2023-03-17 18:35   ` Oliver Upton
2023-03-15  2:17 ` [WIP Patch v2 05/14] KVM: x86: Implement memory fault exit for direct_map Anish Moorthy
2023-03-15  2:17 ` [WIP Patch v2 06/14] KVM: x86: Implement memory fault exit for kvm_handle_page_fault Anish Moorthy
2023-03-15  2:17 ` [WIP Patch v2 07/14] KVM: x86: Implement memory fault exit for setup_vmgexit_scratch Anish Moorthy
2023-03-15  2:17 ` [WIP Patch v2 08/14] KVM: x86: Implement memory fault exit for FNAME(fetch) Anish Moorthy
2023-03-15  2:17 ` [WIP Patch v2 09/14] KVM: Introduce KVM_CAP_MEMORY_FAULT_NOWAIT without implementation Anish Moorthy
2023-03-17 18:59   ` Oliver Upton
2023-03-17 20:15     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-03-17 20:54       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-17 23:42         ` Anish Moorthy
2023-03-20 15:13           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-20 19:53             ` Anish Moorthy
2023-03-17 20:17     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-20 22:22       ` Oliver Upton
2023-03-21 14:50         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-21 20:23           ` Oliver Upton
2023-03-21 21:01             ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-15  2:17 ` [WIP Patch v2 10/14] KVM: x86: Implement KVM_CAP_MEMORY_FAULT_NOWAIT Anish Moorthy
2023-03-17  0:32   ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-03-15  2:17 ` [WIP Patch v2 11/14] KVM: arm64: Allow user_mem_abort to return 0 to signal a 'normal' exit Anish Moorthy
2023-03-17 18:18   ` Oliver Upton
2023-03-15  2:17 ` [WIP Patch v2 12/14] KVM: arm64: Implement KVM_CAP_MEMORY_FAULT_NOWAIT Anish Moorthy
2023-03-17 18:27   ` Oliver Upton
2023-03-17 19:00     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-03-17 19:03       ` Oliver Upton
2023-03-17 19:24       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-15  2:17 ` [WIP Patch v2 13/14] KVM: selftests: Add memslot_flags parameter to memstress_create_vm Anish Moorthy
2023-03-15  2:17 ` [WIP Patch v2 14/14] KVM: selftests: Handle memory fault exits in demand_paging_test Anish Moorthy
2023-03-17 17:43 ` [WIP Patch v2 00/14] Avoiding slow get-user-pages via memory fault exit Oliver Upton
2023-03-17 18:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-17 18:46     ` David Matlack
2023-03-17 18:54       ` Oliver Upton
2023-03-17 18:59         ` David Matlack
2023-03-17 19:53           ` Anish Moorthy
2023-03-17 22:03             ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-20 15:56               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-03-17 20:35 ` Sean Christopherson

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