Re: [MAINTAINERS/KERNEL SUMMIT] Trust and maintenance of file systems

[Bill O'Donnell <bodonnel@redhat.com>]

On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 05:50:50PM -0400, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Sat, 2023-09-16 at 08:48 +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 10:03:55AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> [...]
> > >  - "they use the buffer cache".
> > > 
> > > Waah, waah, waah.
> > 
> > .... you dismiss those concerns in the same way a 6 year old school
> > yard bully taunts his suffering victims.
> > 
> > Regardless of the merits of the observation you've made, the tone
> > and content of this response is *completely unacceptable*.  Please
> > keep to technical arguments, Linus, because this sort of response
> > has no merit what-so-ever. All it does is shut down the technical
> > discussion because no-one wants to be the target of this sort of
> > ugly abuse just for participating in a technical discussion.
> > 
> > Given the number of top level maintainers that signed off on the CoC
> > that are present in this forum, I had an expectation that this is a
> > forum where bad behaviour is not tolerated at all.  So I've waited a
> > couple of days to see if anyone in a project leadership position is
> > going to say something about this comment.....
> > 
> > <silence>
> > 
> > The deafening silence of tacit acceptance is far more damning than
> > the high pitched squeal of Linus's childish taunts.
> 
> Well, let's face it: it's a pretty low level taunt and it wasn't aimed
> at you (or indeed anyone on the thread that I could find) and it was
> backed by technical argument in the next sentence.  We all have a
> tendency to let off steam about stuff in general not at people in
> particular as you did here:
> 
> https://lore.kernel.org/ksummit/ZP+vcgAOyfqWPcXT@dread.disaster.area/
> 
> But I didn't take it as anything more than a rant about AI in general
> and syzbot in particular and certainly I didn't assume it was aimed at
> me or anyone else.
> 
> If everyone reached for the code of conduct when someone had a non-
> specific rant using colourful phraseology, we'd be knee deep in
> complaints, which is why we tend to be more circumspect when it
> happens.

It's the kind of response that intimidates some into not participating.
Thanks-
Bill

> 
> James
> 
>