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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Dongli Zhang <dongli.zhang@oracle.com>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Joe Jin <joe.jin@oracle.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/1] KVM: x86: add param to update master clock periodically
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2023 17:20:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZSXqZOgLYkwLRWLO@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <34057852-f6c0-d6d5-261f-bbb5fa056425@oracle.com>

On Wed, Oct 04, 2023, Dongli Zhang wrote:
> > And because that's not enough, on pCPU migration or if the TSC is unstable,
> > kvm_arch_vcpu_load() requests KVM_REQ_GLOBAL_CLOCK_UPDATE, which schedules
> > kvmclock_update_fn() with a delay of 100ms.  The large delay is to play nice with
> > unstable TSCs.  But if KVM is periodically doing clock updates on all vCPU,
> > scheduling another update with a *longer* delay is silly.
> 
> We may need to add above message to the places, where
> KVM_REQ_GLOBAL_CLOCK_UPDATE is replaced with KVM_REQ_CLOCK_UPDATE in the patch?

Yeah, comments are most definitely needed, this was just intended to be a quick
sketch to get the ball rolling.

> > -static void kvm_gen_kvmclock_update(struct kvm_vcpu *v)
> > -{
> > -	struct kvm *kvm = v->kvm;
> > -
> > -	kvm_make_request(KVM_REQ_CLOCK_UPDATE, v);
> > -	schedule_delayed_work(&kvm->arch.kvmclock_update_work,
> > -					KVMCLOCK_UPDATE_DELAY);
> > -}
> > -
> >  #define KVMCLOCK_SYNC_PERIOD (300 * HZ)
> 
> While David mentioned "maximum delta", how about to turn above into a module
> param with the default 300HZ.
> 
> BTW, 300HZ should be enough for vCPU hotplug case, unless people prefer 1-hour
> or 1-day.

Hmm, I think I agree with David that it would be better if KVM can take care of
the gory details and promise a certain level of accuracy.  I'm usually a fan of
punting complexity to userspace, but requiring every userspace to figure out the
ideal sync frequency on every platform is more than a bit unfriendly.  And it
might not even be realistic unless userspace makes assumptions about how the kernel
computes CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW from TSC cycles.

 : so rather than having a user-configured period for the update, KVM could
 : calculate the frequency for the updates based on the rate at which the clocks
 : would otherwise drift, and a maximum delta? Not my favourite option, but
 : perhaps better than nothing?

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-11  0:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-26 23:06 [PATCH RFC 1/1] KVM: x86: add param to update master clock periodically Dongli Zhang
2023-09-27  0:29 ` Joe Jin
2023-09-27  0:36   ` Dongli Zhang
2023-09-28 16:18     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-29 20:15       ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-02  8:33         ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-02 16:37           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-02 17:17             ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-02 18:18               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-02 21:06                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-02 21:16                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-02 18:16             ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-03  0:53               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03  1:32                 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-03  1:49                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03  2:07                     ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-03 21:00                       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03  5:54                 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04  0:04                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04 10:01                     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04 18:06                       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04 19:13                         ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-11  0:20                           ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2023-10-11  7:18                             ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-13 18:07                               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-13 18:21                                 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-13 19:02                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-13 19:12                                     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-13 20:03                                       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-13 20:12                                 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-13 23:26                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-14  9:49                                     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:47                                       ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-16 16:25                                         ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 17:04                                           ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-16 18:49                                           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-16 22:04                                             ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-16 22:48                                               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-17 16:18                                                 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-03  9:12                 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04  0:07                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04  8:06                     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-03 14:29                 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04  0:10                   ` Sean Christopherson

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