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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
To: Matthew House <mattlloydhouse@gmail.com>
Cc: Jonny Grant <jg@jguk.org>, linux-man <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 13:35:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZUzSHEPUVDvBnqAL@debian> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZUzPNydLkFPEvvsa@debian>

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Hi Matthew,

On Thu, Nov 09, 2023 at 01:23:14PM +0100, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> > > > reasonable to highlight precisely why strncpy(3)'s output isn't a string
> > >
> > > How about this?:
> > >
> > > diff --git a/man3/stpncpy.3 b/man3/stpncpy.3
> > > index d4c2ce83d..c80c8b640 100644
> > > --- a/man3/stpncpy.3
> > > +++ b/man3/stpncpy.3
> > > @@ -108,7 +108,10 @@ .SH HISTORY
> > >  .SH CAVEATS
> > >  The name of these functions is confusing.
> > >  These functions produce a null-padded character sequence,
> > > -not a string (see
> > > +not a string.
> > > +While strings have a terminating NUL byte,
> > > +character sequences do not have any terminating byte
> > > +(see
> > >  .BR string_copying (7)).
> > >  .P
> > >  It's impossible to distinguish truncation by the result of the call,
> > 
> > Yes, I'd be perfectly happy with something like that. That way, the
> > scariness is far more immediate ("the output might not be terminated!?"),
> > and thus more accessible to the typical reader.
> 
> Ok; I'll add that.

I think DJ's suggestion of providing an example shows this without
needing a wordy explanation:

<https://www.alejandro-colomar.es/src/alx/linux/man-pages/man-pages.git/commit/?h=contrib&id=f502d3290c9f6f13f870cc041f553073af434949>
Here's the page now:

CAVEATS
     The name of these functions is confusing.  These  functions  pro‐
     duce   a  null‐padded  character  sequence,  not  a  string  (see
     string_copying(7)).  For example:

         strncpy(buf, "1", 5);       // { '1',   0,   0,   0,   0 }
         strncpy(buf, "1234", 5);    // { '1', '2', '3', '4',   0 }
         strncpy(buf, "12345", 5);   // { '1', '2', '3', '4', '5' }
         strncpy(buf, "123456", 5);  // { '1', '2', '3', '4', '5' }

     It’s impossible to distinguish truncation by the  result  of  the
     call,  from  a  character sequence that just fits the destination
     buffer; truncation should be detected by comparing the length  of
     the input string with the size of the destination buffer.

I think this is quite clear regarding what this functions does and
doesn't.

I'll leave it like that, I think.

Cheers,
Alex

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-09 12:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-04 11:27 strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated Jonny Grant
2023-11-04 19:33 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-04 21:18   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-05  1:36     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-05 21:16   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-05 23:31     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-07 11:52       ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-07 13:23         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-07 14:19           ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-07 16:17             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-07 17:00               ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-07 17:20                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08  6:18               ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-11-08  9:51                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08  9:59                   ` Thorsten Kukuk
2023-11-08 15:09                     ` Alejandro Colomar
     [not found]                     ` <6bcad2492ab843019aa63895beaea2ce@DB6PR04MB3255.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
2023-11-08 15:44                       ` Thorsten Kukuk
2023-11-08 17:26                         ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2023-11-08 14:06                   ` Zack Weinberg
2023-11-08 15:07                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 19:45                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-11-08 21:35                       ` Carlos O'Donell
2023-11-08 22:11                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 23:31                           ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-09  0:29                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 10:13                               ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 11:08                                 ` catenate vs concatenate (was: strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated) Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 14:06                                   ` catenate vs concatenate Jonny Grant
2023-11-27 14:33                                   ` catenate vs concatenate (was: strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated) Zack Weinberg
2023-11-27 15:08                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-27 15:13                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-27 16:59                                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-11-27 18:35                                         ` Zack Weinberg
2023-11-27 23:45                                           ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-11-09 11:13                                 ` strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 14:05                                   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 15:04                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 19:04                   ` DJ Delorie
2023-11-08 19:40                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 19:58                       ` DJ Delorie
2023-11-08 20:13                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 21:07                           ` DJ Delorie
2023-11-08 21:50                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 22:17                               ` [PATCH] stpncpy.3, string_copying.7: Clarify that st[rp]ncpy() do NOT produce a string Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 23:06                                 ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-08 23:28                                   ` DJ Delorie
2023-11-09  0:24                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 14:11                                   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 14:35                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 14:47                                       ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 15:02                                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 17:30                                           ` DJ Delorie
2023-11-09 17:54                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2023-11-09 18:00                                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 19:42                                             ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09  7:23                                 ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-11-09 15:20                                 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] " Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 15:20                                 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] stpncpy.3, string.3, string_copying.7: Clarify that st[rp]ncpy() pad with null bytes Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10  5:47                                   ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-11-10 10:47                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08  2:12           ` strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated Matthew House
2023-11-08 19:33             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 19:40               ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09  3:13               ` Matthew House
2023-11-09 10:26                 ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 10:31                 ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 11:38                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 12:43                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 12:51                     ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-11-09 14:01                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 18:11                     ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-09 23:48                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10  5:36                         ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-10 11:05                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 11:47                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 17:58                             ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-10 18:36                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 20:19                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 23:44                                   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-10 19:52                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 22:14                                 ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-11 21:13                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-11 22:20                                     ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-12  9:52                                     ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-12 10:59                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12 20:49                                         ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-12 21:00                                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12 21:45                                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-13 23:46                                           ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-17 21:57                                         ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-18 10:12                                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-18 23:03                                             ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-10 11:36                           ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-10 13:15                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-18 23:40                               ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-20 11:56                                 ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-20 15:12                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-20 23:08                                     ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-20 23:42                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 11:23                     ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 12:23                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 12:35                   ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2023-11-10  7:06                   ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-11-10 11:18                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-11  7:55                       ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-11-10 16:06                   ` Matthew House
2023-11-10 17:48                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-13 15:01                       ` Matthew House
2023-11-11 20:55                     ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-11 21:15                       ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-11 22:36                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-11 23:19                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-17 21:46                           ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-18  9:37                             ` PDF book of unreleased pages (was: strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated) Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-19  0:22                               ` Deri
2023-11-19  1:19                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-19  9:29                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-19 16:21                                   ` Deri
2023-11-19 20:58                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-20  0:46                                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-11-20  9:43                                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-18  9:44                             ` NULL safety " Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-18 23:21                               ` NULL safety Jonny Grant
2023-11-24 22:25                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-25  0:57                                   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-10 10:40               ` strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated Stefan Puiu
2023-11-10 11:06                 ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-10 11:20                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12  9:17 ` [PATCH 0/2] Expand BUGS section of string_copying(7) Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12  9:18 ` [PATCH 1/2] string_copying.7: BUGS: *cat(3) functions aren't always bad Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12  9:18 ` [PATCH 2/2] string_copying.7: BUGS: Document strl{cpy,cat}(3)'s performance problems Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12 11:26 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Improve string_copying(7) Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12 11:26 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] string_copying.7: BUGS: *cat(3) functions aren't always bad Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-17 21:43   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-18  0:25     ` Signing all patches and email to this list Matthew House
2023-11-18 23:24       ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-12 11:26 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] string_copying.7: BUGS: Document strl{cpy,cat}(3)'s performance problems Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] strtcpy.3, string_copying.7: Add strtcpy(3) Alejandro Colomar

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