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From: Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: lockless case of retain_dentry() (was Re: [PATCH 09/15] fold the call of retain_dentry() into fast_dput())
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 04:52:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZWcJ7QgPHP6EmLTy@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wjErxMmQaPqS8tVr=4ZqYcvs5Xw3yyBdAG1oO6KcwV0Vg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 09:06:03AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 at 08:39, Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > Here, what I want to improve is to prevent stack frame setup in the fast
> > path, and that's the most benefit my patch could give out.
> 
> Side note: what patch do you have that avoids the stack frame setup?
> Because I still saw the stack frame even with the
> arch_spin_value_unlocked() fix and the improved code generation. The
> compiler still does
> 
>         addi    sp,sp,-32
>         sd      s0,16(sp)
>         sd      s1,8(sp)
>         sd      ra,24(sp)
>         addi    s0,sp,32
I found below affect you:

 #define CMPXCHG_LOOP(CODE, SUCCESS) do {                                       \
-       int retry = 100;                                                        \
        struct lockref old;                                                     \
        BUILD_BUG_ON(sizeof(old) != 8);                                         \
        old.lock_count = READ_ONCE(lockref->lock_count);                        \
@@ -21,11 +20,21 @@
                                                 new.lock_count))) {            \
                        SUCCESS;                                                \
                }                                                               \
-               if (!--retry)                                                   \
-                       break;                                                  \

Yes, The 'retry' count patch [1] hurts us.

[1]: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20190607072652.GA5522@hc/T/#m091df9dca68c27c28f8f69a72cae0e1361dba4fa

> 
> at the top of the function for me - not because of the (now fixed)
> lock value spilling, but just because it wants to save registers.
> 
> The reason seems to be that gcc isn't smart enough to delay the frame
> setup to the slow path where it then has to do the actual spinlock, so
> it has to generate a stack frame just for the return address and then
> it does the whole frame setup thing.
> 
> I was using just the risc-v defconfig (with the cmpxchg lockrefs
> enabled, and spinlock debugging disabled so that lockrefs actually do
> something), so there might be some other config thing like "force
> frame pointers" that then causes problems.
> 
> But while the current tree avoids the silly lock value spill and
> reload, and my patch improved the integer instruction selection, I
> really couldn't get rid of the stack frame entirely. The x86 code also
> ends up looking quite nice, although part of that is that the
> qspinlock test is a simple compare against zero:
> 
>   lockref_get:
>         pushq   %rbx
>         movq    %rdi, %rbx
>         movq    (%rdi), %rax
>         movl    $-100, %ecx
>         movabsq $4294967296, %rdx
>   .LBB0_1:
>         testl   %eax, %eax
>         jne     .LBB0_4
>         leaq    (%rax,%rdx), %rsi
>         lock
>         cmpxchgq        %rsi, (%rbx)
>         je      .LBB0_5
>         incl    %ecx
>         jne     .LBB0_1
>   .LBB0_4:
>         movq    %rbx, %rdi
>         callq   _raw_spin_lock
>         incl    4(%rbx)
>         movb    $0, (%rbx)
>   .LBB0_5:
>         popq    %rbx
>         retq
> 
> (That 'movabsq' thing is what generates the big constant that adds '1'
> in the upper word - that add is then done as a 'leaq').
> 
> In this case, the 'retry' count is actually a noticeable part of the
> code generation, and is probably also why it has to save/restore
> '%rbx'. Oh well. We limited the cmpxchg loop because of horrible
> issues with starvation on bad arm64 cores.  It turns out that SMP
> cacheline bouncing is hard, and if you haven't been doing it for a
> couple of decades, you'll do it wrong.
> 
> You'll find out the hard way that the same is probably true on any
> early RISC-V SMP setups. You wanting to use prefetchw is a pretty
> clear indication of the same kind of thing.

The 'retry' count is bad solution, which hides the problem. ThunderX2's
problem is mainly about unnecessary cpu_relax & cacheline sticky less.
In the AMBA 5 CHI spec "Home behavior" section says: [2]
"When a Home(CIU/LLcache) determines that an Exclusive Store transaction
has failed, the following rules must be followed: If the Requester has
lost the cache line, then the Home is expected to send SnpPreferUniqueFwd
or SnpPreferUnique to get a copy of the cache line."
The SnpPreferUnique is not SnpUnique, which means it would return a shared
cacheline in case of serious contention. No guarantee for the next cmpxchg.

But, we want a unique cache line right? You said: [1]
"... And once one CPU gets ownership of the line, it doesn't lose it
immediately, so the next cmpxchg will *succeed*.
So at most, the *first* cmpxchg will fail (because that's the one that
was fed not by a previous cmpxchg, but by a regular load (which we'd
*like* to do as a "load-for-ownership" load, but we don't have the
interfaces to do that). But the second cmpxchg should basically always
succeed, ..."
(Sorry, I quoted you like this.)

My argue is:
Why do we need to wait for cmpxchg failure? You have the
"load-for-ownership" interface: "prefetchw"!

   lockref_get:
         pushq   %rbx
  +------prefetchw (%rdi)    --------> doesn't lose it immediately,
st|				so the next cmpxchg will *succeed*
ic|						- Linus
ky|      movq    %rdi, %rbx
 t|      movq    (%rdi), %rax  ------> local acquire, comfortable!
im|      movl    $-100, %ecx
e |      movabsq $4294967296, %rdx
  |.LBB0_1:
  |      testl   %eax, %eax
  |      jne     .LBB0_4
  |      leaq    (%rax,%rdx), %rsi
  |      lock
  |      cmpxchgq        %rsi, (%rbx) --> local cas, success!
  +----- je      .LBB0_5          ------> Farewell to the slowpath!

If x86 is not a crap machine, "movq+movq+movl+movabsq+testl+jne+leak+
cmpxchg" should be fast enough to satisfy the sticky time.

The prefetchw primitive has been defined in include/linux/prefetch.h
for many years.

The prefetchw has been used for generic code: 
➜  linux git:(master) ✗ grep prefetchw mm/ fs/ kernel/ -r
mm/slub.c:      prefetchw(object + s->offset);
mm/slab.c:      prefetchw(objp);
mm/page_alloc.c:        prefetchw(p);
mm/page_alloc.c:                prefetchw(p + 1);
mm/vmscan.c:#define prefetchw_prev_lru_folio(_folio, _base, _field)                     \
mm/vmscan.c:                    prefetchw(&prev->_field);                       \
mm/vmscan.c:#define prefetchw_prev_lru_folio(_folio, _base, _field) do { } while (0)
mm/vmscan.c:            prefetchw_prev_lru_folio(folio, src, flags);
fs/mpage.c:             prefetchw(&folio->flags);
fs/f2fs/data.c:                 prefetchw(&page->flags);
fs/ext4/readpage.c:             prefetchw(&folio->flags);
kernel/bpf/cpumap.c:                    prefetchw(page);
kernel/locking/qspinlock.c:                     prefetchw(next);
➜  linux git:(master) ✗ grep prefetchw drivers/ -r | wc -l
80

The prefetchw is okay for all good hardware. Not like the 'retry' one.

[1]: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=wiEahkwDXpoy=-SzJHNMRXKVSjPa870+eKKenufhO_Hgw@mail.gmail.com/raw
[2]: https://kolegite.com/EE_library/datasheets_and_manuals/FPGA/AMBA/IHI0050E_a_amba_5_chi_architecture_spec.pdf

> 
>              Linus
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-11-29  9:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-30  0:37 [RFC] simplifying fast_dput(), dentry_kill() et.al Al Viro
2023-10-30 21:53 ` Al Viro
2023-10-30 22:18   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-31  0:18     ` Al Viro
2023-10-31  1:53       ` Al Viro
2023-10-31  6:12         ` Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:18           ` Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20           ` [PATCH 01/15] fast_dput(): having ->d_delete() is not reason to delay refcount decrement Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 02/15] fast_dput(): handle underflows gracefully Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 03/15] fast_dput(): new rules for refcount Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 04/15] __dput_to_list(): do decrement of refcount in the caller Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 05/15] retain_dentry(): lift decrement of ->d_count into callers Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 06/15] __dentry_kill(): get consistent rules for ->d_count Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 07/15] dentry_kill(): don't bother with retain_dentry() on slow path Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 08/15] Call retain_dentry() with refcount 0 Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 09/15] fold the call of retain_dentry() into fast_dput() Al Viro
2023-11-01  8:45               ` Al Viro
2023-11-01 17:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-01 18:19                   ` Al Viro
2023-11-10  4:20                     ` lockless case of retain_dentry() (was Re: [PATCH 09/15] fold the call of retain_dentry() into fast_dput()) Al Viro
2023-11-10  5:57                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-10  6:22                         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-22  6:29                           ` Guo Ren
2023-11-10  8:19                         ` Al Viro
2023-11-22  7:19                         ` Guo Ren
2023-11-22 17:20                           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-22 17:52                             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-22 18:05                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-22 19:11                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-29  7:14                                 ` Guo Ren
2023-11-29 12:25                                 ` Guo Ren
2023-11-29 14:42                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-26 16:39                             ` Guo Ren
2023-11-26 16:51                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-30 10:00                                 ` Guo Ren
2023-12-01  1:09                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-12-01  3:36                                     ` Guo Ren
2023-12-01  5:15                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-12-01  7:31                                         ` Guo Ren
2023-11-26 16:51                               ` Guo Ren
2023-11-26 17:06                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-26 17:59                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-29  9:52                                 ` Guo Ren [this message]
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 10/15] don't try to cut corners in shrink_lock_dentry() Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:21             ` [PATCH 11/15] fold dentry_kill() into dput() Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:21             ` [PATCH 12/15] get rid of __dget() Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:21             ` [PATCH 13/15] shrink_dentry_list(): no need to check that dentry refcount is marked dead Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:21             ` [PATCH 14/15] to_shrink_list(): call only if refcount is 0 Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:21             ` [PATCH 15/15] switch select_collect{,2}() to use of to_shrink_list() Al Viro
2023-11-01  2:22       ` [RFC] simplifying fast_dput(), dentry_kill() et.al Al Viro
2023-11-01 14:29         ` Benjamin Coddington
2023-11-05 19:54       ` Al Viro
2023-11-05 21:59         ` Al Viro
2023-11-06  5:53         ` Al Viro
2023-11-07  2:08           ` Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:19             ` [RFC][PATCHSET v2] " Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20               ` [PATCH 01/22] struct dentry: get rid of randomize_layout idiocy Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 02/22] switch nfsd_client_rmdir() to use of simple_recursive_removal() Al Viro
2023-11-09 13:42                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 14:01                   ` Chuck Lever
2023-11-09 18:47                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-09 18:50                       ` Chuck Lever III
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 03/22] coda_flag_children(): cope with dentries turning negative Al Viro
2023-11-09 13:43                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 04/22] dentry: switch the lists of children to hlist Al Viro
2023-11-09 13:48                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 19:32                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 05/22] centralize killing dentry from shrink list Al Viro
2023-11-09 13:49                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 06/22] get rid of __dget() Al Viro
2023-11-09 13:50                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 07/22] shrink_dentry_list(): no need to check that dentry refcount is marked dead Al Viro
2023-11-09 13:53                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 20:28                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 08/22] fast_dput(): having ->d_delete() is not reason to delay refcount decrement Al Viro
2023-11-09 13:58                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 09/22] fast_dput(): handle underflows gracefully Al Viro
2023-11-09 14:46                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 20:39                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 10/22] fast_dput(): new rules for refcount Al Viro
2023-11-09 14:54                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 20:52                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 11/22] __dput_to_list(): do decrement of refcount in the callers Al Viro
2023-11-09 15:21                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 12/22] Make retain_dentry() neutral with respect to refcounting Al Viro
2023-11-09 15:22                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 13/22] __dentry_kill(): get consistent rules for victim's refcount Al Viro
2023-11-09 15:27                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 14/22] dentry_kill(): don't bother with retain_dentry() on slow path Al Viro
2023-11-09 15:53                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 21:29                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 15/22] Call retain_dentry() with refcount 0 Al Viro
2023-11-09 16:09                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 16/22] fold the call of retain_dentry() into fast_dput() Al Viro
2023-11-09 16:17                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 17/22] don't try to cut corners in shrink_lock_dentry() Al Viro
2023-11-09 17:20                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 21:45                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-10  9:07                       ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 17:39                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-09 18:11                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-09 18:20                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 18/22] fold dentry_kill() into dput() Al Viro
2023-11-09 17:22                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 19/22] to_shrink_list(): call only if refcount is 0 Al Viro
2023-11-09 17:29                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 20/22] switch select_collect{,2}() to use of to_shrink_list() Al Viro
2023-11-09 17:31                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 21/22] d_prune_aliases(): use a shrink list Al Viro
2023-11-09 17:33                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 22/22] __dentry_kill(): new locking scheme Al Viro
2023-11-10 13:34                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 13:33                 ` [PATCH 01/22] struct dentry: get rid of randomize_layout idiocy Christian Brauner
2023-10-31  2:25     ` [RFC] simplifying fast_dput(), dentry_kill() et.al Gao Xiang
2023-10-31  2:29       ` Gao Xiang
2023-10-31  3:02       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-31  3:13         ` Gao Xiang
2023-10-31  3:26         ` Al Viro
2023-10-31  3:41           ` Linus Torvalds

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