From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp-out1.suse.de (smtp-out1.suse.de [195.135.223.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE90D1C295 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 16:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=suse.cz Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=suse.cz Received: from imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org (imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org [IPv6:2a07:de40:b281:104:10:150:64:97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-out1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF71121D8D; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 12:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C333D13AA6; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 12:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dovecot-director2.suse.de ([2a07:de40:b281:106:10:150:64:167]) by imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org with ESMTPSA id piUeLm1OlWUzHwAAD6G6ig (envelope-from ); Wed, 03 Jan 2024 12:09:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:09:42 +0100 From: Cyril Hrubis To: Geert Uytterhoeven Cc: Petr Vorel , ltp@lists.linux.it, Li Wang , Andrea Cervesato , Greg Ungerer , Jonathan Corbet , Randy Dunlap , John Paul Adrian Glaubitz , Christophe Lyon , linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linux ARM , linux-riscv , Linux-sh list Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/36] Remove UCLINUX from LTP Message-ID: References: <20240103015240.1065284-1-pvorel@suse.cz> <20240103114957.GD1073466@pevik> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Level: Authentication-Results: smtp-out1.suse.de; none X-Rspamd-Server: rspamd2.dmz-prg2.suse.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 50.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Spam-Score: -4.00 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DF71121D8D X-Spam-Flag: NO Hi! > I am not sure I agree with this series. > Removing support for UCLINUX from LTP is almost a guarantee for > not noticing when more breakage is introduced. > > How exactly is UCLINUX broken in LTP? As far as we know noone is using it and nobody is maintaing it for a decade, so it's bitrotting and we do not have manpower to fix it, or rather we do not want to invest the scarcely limited resources we have into something that is niche at best. We asked repeatedly if anyone want to invest time into keeping it alive, but nobody answered the call so far and I doubt that it will happen at this point. -- Cyril Hrubis chrubis@suse.cz From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41520C3DA6E for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 12:09:35 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.infradead.org; s=bombadil.20210309; h=Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Post: List-Archive:List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:References: Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: List-Owner; bh=fYrCPH4DjOhXMfVUpt+vWAZ3xs780Eynz6F5DgC+FOg=; b=pSKFUT5FSt3aDC 6hKNoBhJmXZLBK7S+ElTofhls4UHfhBYweF3Hy4siKfLaWI1dAeWA4CJlN6df9bN8RjilsdHJUR63 v+ltyB0oQU4gpjn0u6DzWyRvW/0oW+dr0J96e1pw/qbmbkoHK/1+oHd3z4yOKGxiUqawe4lP1XvBt j9aAc89klc+gS3uNCVzkQldyBD9dsmgxC0Cxmevs63V1GlSJtVUT6b6wxsADLyJ0obfuWc3rYpdV4 HLq2tFyRvx2jUmBYcIDpAQz3X2PBrKfuNfzE8mkq82q2pLlyLrPVd49+pvtbQhTqkkdCx3rammzvE VIFFhvl83DnmOsPZuuZQ==; Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=bombadil.infradead.org) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.96 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1rL03q-00Am34-0e; Wed, 03 Jan 2024 12:09:26 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.suse.de ([2a07:de40:b251:101:10:150:64:1]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtps (Exim 4.96 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1rL03m-00Am0W-0A; Wed, 03 Jan 2024 12:09:23 +0000 Received: from imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org (imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org [IPv6:2a07:de40:b281:104:10:150:64:97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-out1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF71121D8D; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 12:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C333D13AA6; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 12:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dovecot-director2.suse.de ([2a07:de40:b281:106:10:150:64:167]) by imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org with ESMTPSA id piUeLm1OlWUzHwAAD6G6ig (envelope-from ); Wed, 03 Jan 2024 12:09:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:09:42 +0100 From: Cyril Hrubis To: Geert Uytterhoeven Cc: Petr Vorel , ltp@lists.linux.it, Li Wang , Andrea Cervesato , Greg Ungerer , Jonathan Corbet , Randy Dunlap , John Paul Adrian Glaubitz , Christophe Lyon , linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linux ARM , linux-riscv , Linux-sh list Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/36] Remove UCLINUX from LTP Message-ID: References: <20240103015240.1065284-1-pvorel@suse.cz> <20240103114957.GD1073466@pevik> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Authentication-Results: smtp-out1.suse.de; none X-Rspamd-Server: rspamd2.dmz-prg2.suse.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 50.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DF71121D8D X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20240103_040922_236154_68BFD18B X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 10.11 ) X-BeenThere: linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-riscv" Errors-To: linux-riscv-bounces+linux-riscv=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org Hi! > I am not sure I agree with this series. > Removing support for UCLINUX from LTP is almost a guarantee for > not noticing when more breakage is introduced. > > How exactly is UCLINUX broken in LTP? As far as we know noone is using it and nobody is maintaing it for a decade, so it's bitrotting and we do not have manpower to fix it, or rather we do not want to invest the scarcely limited resources we have into something that is niche at best. We asked repeatedly if anyone want to invest time into keeping it alive, but nobody answered the call so far and I doubt that it will happen at this point. -- Cyril Hrubis chrubis@suse.cz _______________________________________________ linux-riscv mailing list linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-riscv From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from picard.linux.it (picard.linux.it [213.254.12.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C7F6C3DA6E for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 12:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from picard.linux.it (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by picard.linux.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C2D3CE7CC for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:09:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from in-3.smtp.seeweb.it (in-3.smtp.seeweb.it [217.194.8.3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) server-digest SHA384) (No client certificate requested) by picard.linux.it (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 434923C8BA4 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:09:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp-out1.suse.de (smtp-out1.suse.de [IPv6:2a07:de40:b251:101:10:150:64:1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by in-3.smtp.seeweb.it (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DFAA1A0110C for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:09:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org (imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org [IPv6:2a07:de40:b281:104:10:150:64:97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-out1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF71121D8D; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 12:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C333D13AA6; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 12:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dovecot-director2.suse.de ([2a07:de40:b281:106:10:150:64:167]) by imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org with ESMTPSA id piUeLm1OlWUzHwAAD6G6ig (envelope-from ); Wed, 03 Jan 2024 12:09:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:09:42 +0100 From: Cyril Hrubis To: Geert Uytterhoeven Message-ID: References: <20240103015240.1065284-1-pvorel@suse.cz> <20240103114957.GD1073466@pevik> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Authentication-Results: smtp-out1.suse.de; none X-Rspamd-Server: rspamd2.dmz-prg2.suse.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 50.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DF71121D8D X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 1.0.3 at in-3.smtp.seeweb.it X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [LTP] [PATCH 00/36] Remove UCLINUX from LTP X-BeenThere: ltp@lists.linux.it X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Linux Test Project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Jonathan Corbet , Linux-sh list , Christophe Lyon , Randy Dunlap , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org, Linux ARM , John Paul Adrian Glaubitz , linux-riscv , Greg Ungerer , ltp@lists.linux.it Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ltp-bounces+ltp=archiver.kernel.org@lists.linux.it Sender: "ltp" Hi! > I am not sure I agree with this series. > Removing support for UCLINUX from LTP is almost a guarantee for > not noticing when more breakage is introduced. > > How exactly is UCLINUX broken in LTP? As far as we know noone is using it and nobody is maintaing it for a decade, so it's bitrotting and we do not have manpower to fix it, or rather we do not want to invest the scarcely limited resources we have into something that is niche at best. We asked repeatedly if anyone want to invest time into keeping it alive, but nobody answered the call so far and I doubt that it will happen at this point. -- Cyril Hrubis chrubis@suse.cz -- Mailing list info: https://lists.linux.it/listinfo/ltp From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70263C3DA6E for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 12:09:54 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.infradead.org; s=bombadil.20210309; h=Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Post: List-Archive:List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:References: Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: List-Owner; bh=maHS61kPN1LStgSCek1NLEtfHCsyB7AbYa+XXV8QrDc=; b=BqfmdiyTKfSgoo Sq8GOI73MCeQ+mFrYtEWQSqzopThmxaM0ms85oC80vNqowx+oD2XDIqjxJkOPEVbuEaCNsSTUbXZb dWEw6ssF9ot4vk168/Fha8WZR4o3ioS+c3+cwjLePmQTzIBwTgE3/YIxsax2o/IkcnaZq2vost7O6 PykpdniUz999+mB5eY0yl8X50d2Esk0h/EsE+lDlRKL7i72ZTiWpecudEQL3gnAKNAwy5NuWSWLhH IeQA8v44lZIfq1LtNDzkWQXDQ/J/hz8LCrV4h/hIlVAi+Rbd9YbyE982+jY0VadBf5wFQX3FYNYk9 SQGizCEXQ8Y2Pz72gg3A==; Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=bombadil.infradead.org) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.96 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1rL03p-00Am2Z-1l; Wed, 03 Jan 2024 12:09:25 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.suse.de ([2a07:de40:b251:101:10:150:64:1]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtps (Exim 4.96 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1rL03m-00Am0W-0A; Wed, 03 Jan 2024 12:09:23 +0000 Received: from imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org (imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org [IPv6:2a07:de40:b281:104:10:150:64:97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-out1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF71121D8D; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 12:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C333D13AA6; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 12:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dovecot-director2.suse.de ([2a07:de40:b281:106:10:150:64:167]) by imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org with ESMTPSA id piUeLm1OlWUzHwAAD6G6ig (envelope-from ); Wed, 03 Jan 2024 12:09:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 13:09:42 +0100 From: Cyril Hrubis To: Geert Uytterhoeven Cc: Petr Vorel , ltp@lists.linux.it, Li Wang , Andrea Cervesato , Greg Ungerer , Jonathan Corbet , Randy Dunlap , John Paul Adrian Glaubitz , Christophe Lyon , linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linux ARM , linux-riscv , Linux-sh list Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/36] Remove UCLINUX from LTP Message-ID: References: <20240103015240.1065284-1-pvorel@suse.cz> <20240103114957.GD1073466@pevik> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Authentication-Results: smtp-out1.suse.de; none X-Rspamd-Server: rspamd2.dmz-prg2.suse.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 50.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DF71121D8D X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20240103_040922_236154_68BFD18B X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 10.11 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org Hi! > I am not sure I agree with this series. > Removing support for UCLINUX from LTP is almost a guarantee for > not noticing when more breakage is introduced. > > How exactly is UCLINUX broken in LTP? As far as we know noone is using it and nobody is maintaing it for a decade, so it's bitrotting and we do not have manpower to fix it, or rather we do not want to invest the scarcely limited resources we have into something that is niche at best. We asked repeatedly if anyone want to invest time into keeping it alive, but nobody answered the call so far and I doubt that it will happen at this point. -- Cyril Hrubis chrubis@suse.cz _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel