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From: "Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
Cc: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] x86/hvm: fix handling of accesses to partial r/o MMIO pages
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 10:34:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z_4aBL7JhTv_oxWR@macbook.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7c3c91d9-4de8-4910-b26e-8782a0f0d364@suse.com>

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 09:32:37AM +0200, Jan Beulich wrote:
> On 14.04.2025 18:13, Roger Pau Monné wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 05:24:32PM +0200, Jan Beulich wrote:
> >> On 14.04.2025 15:53, Roger Pau Monné wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 08:33:44AM +0200, Jan Beulich wrote:
> >>>> On 11.04.2025 12:54, Roger Pau Monne wrote:
> Independently (i.e. not for this patch) we may want to actually assert
> that npfec.present is set for P2M types where we demand that to always
> be the case. (I wouldn't be too surprised if we actually found such an
> assertion to trigger.)
> 
> >>>> I'm also concerned of e.g. VT-x'es APIC access MFN, which is
> >>>> p2m_mmio_direct.
> >>>
> >>> But that won't go into hvm_hap_nested_page_fault() when using
> >>> cpu_has_vmx_virtualize_apic_accesses (and thus having an APIC page
> >>> mapped as p2m_mmio_direct)?
> >>>
> >>> It would instead be an EXIT_REASON_APIC_ACCESS vmexit which is handled
> >>> differently?
> >>
> >> All true as long as things work as expected (potentially including the guest
> >> also behaving as expected). Also this was explicitly only an example I could
> >> readily think of. I'm simply wary of handle_mmio_with_translation() now
> >> getting things to handle it's not meant to ever see.
> > 
> > How was access to MMIO r/o regions supposed to be handled before
> > 33c19df9a5a0 (~2015)?  I see that setting r/o MMIO p2m entries was
> > added way before to p2m_type_to_flags() and ept_p2m_type_to_flags()
> > (~2010), yet I can't figure out how writes would be handled back then
> > that didn't result in a p2m fault and crashing of the domain.
> 
> Was that handled at all before said change?

Not really AFAICT, hence me wondering how where write accesses to r/o
MMIO regions supposed to be handled by (non-priv) domains.  Was the
expectation that those writes trigger an p2m violation thus crashing
the domain?

> mmio_ro_do_page_fault() was
> (and still is) invoked for the hardware domain only, and quite likely
> the need for handling (discarding) writes for PVHv1 had been overlooked
> until someone was hit by the lack thereof.

I see, I didn't realize r/o MMIO was only handled for PV hardware
domains only.  I could arguably do the same for HVM in
hvm_hap_nested_page_fault().

Not sure whether the subpage stuff is supposed to be functional for
domains different than the hardware domain?  It seems to be available
to the hanrdware domain only for PV guests, while for HVM is available
for both PV and HVM domains:

is_hardware_domain(currd) || subpage_mmio_write_accept(mfn, gla)

In hvm_hap_nested_page_fault().

> > I'm happy to look at other ways to handling this, but given there's
> > current logic for handling accesses to read-only regions in
> > hvm_hap_nested_page_fault() I think re-using that was the best way to
> > also handle accesses to MMIO read-only regions.
> > 
> > Arguably it would already be the case that for other reasons Xen would
> > need to emulate an instruction that accesses a read-only MMIO region?
> 
> Aiui hvm_translate_get_page() will yield HVMTRANS_bad_gfn_to_mfn for
> p2m_mmio_direct (after all, "direct" means we expect no emulation is
> needed; while arguably wrong for the introspection case, I'm not sure
> that and pass-through actually go together). Hence it's down to
> hvmemul_linear_mmio_access() -> hvmemul_phys_mmio_access() ->
> hvmemul_do_mmio_buffer() -> hvmemul_do_io_buffer() -> hvmemul_do_io(),
> which means that if hvm_io_intercept() can't handle it, the access
> will be forwarded to the responsible DM, or be "processed" by the
> internal null handler.
> 
> Given this, perhaps what you do is actually fine. At the same time
> note how several functions in hvm/emulate.c simply fail upon
> encountering p2m_mmio_direct. These are all REP handlers though, so
> the main emulator would then try emulating the insn the non-REP way.

I'm open to alternative ways of handling such accesses, just used what
seemed more natural in the context of hvm_hap_nested_page_fault().

Emulation of r/o MMIO accesses failing wouldn't be an issue from Xen's
perspective, that would "just" result in the guest getting a #GP
injected.

Would you like me to add some of your reasoning above to the commit
message?

Thanks, Roger.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-15  8:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-11 10:54 [PATCH 0/5] xen/x86: fix implementation of subpage r/o MMIO Roger Pau Monne
2025-04-11 10:54 ` [PATCH 1/5] x86/mm: account for the offset when performing subpage r/o MMIO access Roger Pau Monne
2025-04-11 12:00   ` Andrew Cooper
2025-04-11 10:54 ` [PATCH 2/5] xen/io: provide helpers for multi size MMIO accesses Roger Pau Monne
2025-04-11 18:44   ` Denis Mukhin
2025-04-14  6:07   ` Jan Beulich
2025-04-14  7:49     ` Julien Grall
2025-04-14  8:52       ` Jan Beulich
2025-04-11 10:54 ` [PATCH 3/5] x86/hvm: fix handling of accesses to partial r/o MMIO pages Roger Pau Monne
2025-04-14  6:33   ` Jan Beulich
2025-04-14 13:53     ` Roger Pau Monné
2025-04-14 15:24       ` Jan Beulich
2025-04-14 16:13         ` Roger Pau Monné
2025-04-15  7:32           ` Jan Beulich
2025-04-15  8:34             ` Roger Pau Monné [this message]
2025-04-15  9:41               ` Jan Beulich
2025-04-15 10:04                 ` Roger Pau Monné
2025-04-15 10:18                   ` Jan Beulich
2025-04-15 10:40                     ` Marek Marczykowski
2025-04-15 10:50                       ` Jan Beulich
2025-04-15 12:47                     ` Roger Pau Monné
2025-04-15 12:53                       ` Jan Beulich
2025-04-11 10:54 ` [PATCH 4/5] x86/hvm: only register the r/o subpage ops when needed Roger Pau Monne
2025-04-14  6:36   ` Jan Beulich
2025-04-11 10:54 ` [PATCH 5/5] x86/mm: move mmio_ro_emulated_write() to PV only file Roger Pau Monne
2025-04-14  6:37   ` Jan Beulich

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