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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>
Cc: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Don Dutile <ddutile@redhat.com>,
	Raghavendra K T <raghavendra.kt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm/readahead: readahead aggressively if read drops in willneed range
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2024 09:12:59 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zbgi6wajZlEkWISO@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZbfeBrKVMaeSwtYm@redhat.com>

On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 12:19:02PM -0500, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> While I'm sure this legacy application would love to not have to
> change its code at all, I think we can all agree that we need to just
> focus on how best to advise applications that have mixed workloads
> accomplish efficient mmap+read of both sequential and random.
> 
> To that end, I heard Dave clearly suggest 2 things:
> 
> 1) update MADV/FADV_SEQUENTIAL to set file->f_ra.ra_pages to
>    bdi->io_pages, not bdi->ra_pages * 2
> 
> 2) Have the application first issue MADV_SEQUENTIAL to convey that for
>    the following MADV_WILLNEED is for sequential file load (so it is
>    desirable to use larger ra_pages)
> 
> This overrides the default of bdi->io_pages and _should_ provide the
> required per-file duality of control for readahead, correct?

I just discovered MADV_POPULATE_READ - see my reply to Ming
up-thread about that. The applicaiton should use that instead of
MADV_WILLNEED because it gives cache population guarantees that
WILLNEED doesn't. Then we can look at optimising the performance of
MADV_POPULATE_READ (if needed) as there is constrained scope we can
optimise within in ways that we cannot do with WILLNEED.

-Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-01-29 22:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-28 14:25 [RFC PATCH] mm/readahead: readahead aggressively if read drops in willneed range Ming Lei
2024-01-28 22:02 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-28 23:12   ` Mike Snitzer
2024-01-29  0:21     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-29  0:39       ` Mike Snitzer
2024-01-29  1:47         ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-29  2:12           ` Mike Snitzer
2024-01-29  4:56             ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-29  3:57           ` Ming Lei
2024-01-29  5:15             ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-29  8:25               ` Ming Lei
2024-01-29 13:26                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-29 22:07                 ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-30  3:13                   ` Ming Lei
2024-01-30  5:29                     ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-30 11:34                       ` Ming Lei
2024-01-29  3:20       ` Ming Lei
2024-01-29  3:00   ` Ming Lei
2024-01-29 17:19 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-01-29 17:42   ` Mike Snitzer
2024-01-29 22:12   ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2024-01-29 22:46     ` Mike Snitzer
2024-01-30 10:43       ` David Hildenbrand

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