From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
Cc: Gregor Riepl <onitake@gmail.com>,
Werner Sembach <wse@tuxedocomputers.com>,
Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>,
jikos@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Jelle van der Waa <jelle@vdwaa.nl>,
Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
linux-input@vger.kernel.org, ojeda@kernel.org,
linux-leds@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v2
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:42:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZdeHi/WTNXEBevAX@duo.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <825129ea-d389-4c6c-8a23-39f05572e4b4@redhat.com>
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Hi!
> > To be honest, I think the kernel shouldn't include too much high-level complexity. If there is a desire to implement a generic display device on top of the RGB device, this should be a configurable service running in user space. The kernel should provide an interface to expose this emulated display as a "real" display to applications - unless this can also be done entirely in user space in a generic way.
>
> We really need to stop seeing per key addressable RGB keyboards as displays:
>
> 1. Some "pixels" are non square
> 2. Not all "pixels" have the same width-height ratio
They are quite close to square usually.
> 3. Not all rows have the same amount of pixels
True for cellphone displays, too. Rounded corners.
> 4. There are holes in the rows like between the enter key and then numpad
True for cellphone displays, too. Hole for camera.
> 5. Some "pixels" have multiple LEDs beneath them. These might be addressable
> per LEDs are the sub-pixels ? What about a 2 key wide backspace key vs
> the 1 key wide + another key (some non US layouts) in place of the backspace?
> This will be "2 pixels" in some layout and 1 pixel with maybe / maybe-not
> 2 subpixels where the sub-pixels may/may not be individually addressable ?
Treat those "sub pixels" as pixels. They will be in same matrix as the rest.
> For all these reasons the display analogy really is a bit fit for these keyboards
> we tried to come up with a universal coordinate system for these at the beginning
> of the thread and we failed ...
I'd suggest trying harder this time :-).
Best regards,
Pavel
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Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-10-11 19:00 [PATCH] leds: rgb: Implement per-key keyboard backlight for several TUXEDO devices Werner Sembach
2023-10-11 19:21 ` Werner Sembach
2023-10-12 8:58 ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-12 10:02 ` Werner Sembach
2023-10-12 14:05 ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-12 16:35 ` Werner Sembach
2023-10-13 12:19 ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-13 14:38 ` Werner Sembach
2023-10-13 14:54 ` Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay? Werner Sembach
2023-10-13 14:54 ` Werner Sembach
2023-10-13 19:56 ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-13 19:56 ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-13 20:03 ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-13 20:03 ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-16 10:57 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-16 10:57 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-23 11:40 ` Jani Nikula
2023-10-23 11:40 ` Jani Nikula
2023-10-23 11:44 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-23 11:44 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-11-20 20:53 ` Pavel Machek
2023-11-20 20:53 ` Pavel Machek
2023-11-20 20:52 ` Pavel Machek
2023-11-20 20:52 ` Pavel Machek
2023-11-21 11:33 ` Werner Sembach
2023-11-21 11:33 ` Werner Sembach
2023-11-21 12:20 ` Hans de Goede
2023-11-21 12:20 ` Hans de Goede
2023-11-21 13:29 ` Werner Sembach
2023-11-21 13:29 ` Werner Sembach
2023-11-22 18:34 ` Hans de Goede
2023-11-22 18:34 ` Hans de Goede
2023-11-27 10:59 ` Werner Sembach
2023-11-27 10:59 ` Werner Sembach
2023-12-29 19:13 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-17 15:26 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-17 15:26 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-17 16:50 ` Userspace API for per key backlight for non HID (no hidraw) keyboards Hans de Goede
2024-01-17 16:50 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-17 19:03 ` Armin Wolf
2024-01-17 19:03 ` Armin Wolf
2024-01-18 0:58 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-18 0:58 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-18 17:45 ` Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay? Pavel Machek
2024-01-18 17:45 ` Pavel Machek
2024-01-18 22:32 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-18 22:32 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 8:44 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-19 8:44 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-19 10:51 ` Jani Nikula
2024-01-19 10:51 ` Jani Nikula
2024-01-19 16:06 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 16:06 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 18:33 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2024-01-19 18:33 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2024-01-19 22:14 ` Pavel Machek
2024-01-19 22:14 ` Pavel Machek
2024-01-23 16:51 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-23 16:51 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 15:19 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 16:04 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 16:04 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-29 13:24 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-29 13:24 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 11:12 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 11:12 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 17:10 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 17:10 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 18:01 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 18:09 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 18:09 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 18:35 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 18:35 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 19:08 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 19:08 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 19:46 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 19:46 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-31 11:41 ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux Werner Sembach
2024-01-31 11:41 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-31 15:52 ` Roderick Colenbrander
2024-01-31 15:52 ` Roderick Colenbrander
2024-02-21 11:12 ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v2 Werner Sembach
2024-02-21 22:17 ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-22 9:04 ` Pekka Paalanen
2024-02-22 17:38 ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-23 8:53 ` Pekka Paalanen
2024-07-23 20:40 ` Keybaords with arrays of RGB LEDs was " Pavel Machek
2024-02-23 9:21 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2024-02-22 10:46 ` Hans de Goede
2024-02-22 11:38 ` Gregor Riepl
2024-02-22 12:39 ` Hans de Goede
2024-02-22 13:14 ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v3 Werner Sembach
2024-03-18 11:11 ` Hans de Goede
2024-03-19 15:18 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 14:18 ` Hans de Goede
2024-03-25 17:01 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-20 11:16 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-20 11:33 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-20 18:45 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 14:25 ` In kernel virtual HID devices (was Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v3) Hans de Goede
2024-03-25 15:56 ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-03-25 16:48 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 18:30 ` Hans de Goede
2024-03-26 7:57 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-26 15:39 ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-03-26 16:57 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-27 11:03 ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-03-28 23:52 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-27 11:01 ` Hans de Goede
2024-07-24 17:36 ` Pavel Machek
2024-07-24 21:05 ` Werner Sembach
2024-07-24 21:08 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 18:38 ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-04-09 13:33 ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-02-22 17:42 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2024-02-22 17:52 ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v2 Pavel Machek
2024-02-22 17:23 ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-23 8:33 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 20:15 ` Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay? Pavel Machek
2024-01-19 20:15 ` Pavel Machek
2024-01-19 20:22 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 20:22 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 20:32 ` Pavel Machek
2024-01-19 20:32 ` Pavel Machek
2024-01-29 13:24 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-29 13:24 ` Hans de Goede
2023-10-12 13:00 ` [PATCH] leds: rgb: Implement per-key keyboard backlight for several TUXEDO devices kernel test robot
2023-10-16 11:21 ` kernel test robot
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