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From: Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Kenneth-Lee-2012@foxmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	paulmck@kernel.org
Subject: Re: Question about PB rule of LKMM
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 19:18:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZeoFBkB1BeTdEQsn@andrea> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <eb8f2a21-d388-424d-8504-ccd7bdb53a93@rowland.harvard.edu>

> So I guess you're talking about the second, intuitive meaning.  That's 
> very simple to explain.  Since every instruction executes at _some_ 
> time, and since we can safely assume that no two instructions execute at 
> exactly the _same_ time, if F doesn't execute before E then E must 
> execute before F.  Or using your terms, (not F ->xb E) implies (E ->xb 
> F).  Would that answer the original question satisfactorily?

I'd disagree with these premises: certain instructions can and do execute
at the same time.  FWIW, in the formal model, it is not that difficult to
provide examples of "(not F ->xb E) and (not E ->xb F)".


> The new text says the same thing as the original, just in a more 
> condensed way.  It skips the detailed explanation of why E must execute 
> before W propagates to E's CPU, merely saying that it is because "W is 
> coherence-later than E".  I'm not sure this is an improvement; the 
> reader might want to know exactly how this reasoning goes.

The current text relies on an argument by contradiction.  A contradiction
is reached by "forcing" (F ->xb E), hence all it can be concluded is that
(not F ->xb E).  Again, AFAICS, this doesn't match the claim in the text.

  Andrea

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-07 18:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-01  3:18 Question about PB rule of LKMM Kenneth-Lee-2012
2024-03-05 18:00 ` Andrea Parri
2024-03-06  9:53   ` Kenneth-Lee-2012
2024-03-06 17:36     ` Andrea Parri
2024-03-06 18:29       ` Alan Stern
2024-03-06 19:24         ` Andrea Parri
2024-03-07  0:45           ` Kenneth-Lee-2012
2024-03-07 15:52           ` Andrea Parri
2024-03-07 17:25             ` Alan Stern
2024-03-07 18:18               ` Andrea Parri [this message]
2024-03-07 18:30                 ` Alan Stern
2024-03-07 19:08                   ` Andrea Parri
2024-03-07 19:46                     ` Alan Stern
2024-03-07 21:06                       ` Andrea Parri
2024-03-08 17:54                         ` Alan Stern
2024-03-08 21:29                           ` Andrea Parri
2024-03-08  3:10                     ` Kenneth-Lee-2012
2024-03-08 21:38                       ` Andrea Parri
2024-03-09  5:43                         ` Kenneth-Lee-2012
2024-03-10  2:27                           ` Andrea Parri
2024-03-10  2:52                             ` Kenneth-Lee-2012
2024-03-11  3:41                             ` Kenneth-Lee-2012
     [not found]                             ` <20240311034104.7iffcia4k5rxvgog@kllt01>
2024-03-11  8:20                               ` Kenneth-Lee-2012

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