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From: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
To: "Wang, Weilin" <weilin.wang@intel.com>
Cc: Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	"Hunter, Adrian" <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	Kan Liang <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>,
	"linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Taylor, Perry" <perry.taylor@intel.com>,
	"Alt, Samantha" <samantha.alt@intel.com>,
	"Biggers, Caleb" <caleb.biggers@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 2/6] perf stat: Fork and launch perf record when perf stat needs to get retire latency value for a metric.
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 17:00:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZfI-JqTZevIhEa3o@tassilo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CO6PR11MB5635D2EAC53C2CD2B36D4BF5EE2A2@CO6PR11MB5635.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

> We could use -a -C and cgroup together. I think this could be a useful use case.
> There could be other improvement to the implementation in next step. But I believe

I don't know how you would improve it. A lot of the problems are fairly
fundamental.

> current implementation could provide users the access to our new feature with 
> accurate results 
> and without adding too much overhead. 

perf record increases the overhead a lot over a perf stat! Sampling
is much more expensive than counting.

That should be at least a order of magnitude difference.
Another advantage of doing it separately.

That will also make it inaccurate.

Please do a proper implementation. This one is no good.

You can likely reuse a lot of your code:

- Add a perf calibrate to run the profile step separately that generates the JSON
- Add a --metrics option to perf to read the resulting JSON
- Add some mechanism to read a default JSON as fallback. I guess this
one could be compiled in to avoid a dependency on an installed file.

-Andi

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-14  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-12 23:49 [RFC PATCH v4 0/6] TPEBS counting mode support weilin.wang
2024-03-12 23:49 ` [RFC PATCH v4 1/6] perf stat: Parse and find tpebs events when parsing metrics to prepare for perf record sampling weilin.wang
2024-03-12 23:58   ` Andi Kleen
2024-03-13  0:27     ` Wang, Weilin
2024-03-12 23:49 ` [RFC PATCH v4 2/6] perf stat: Fork and launch perf record when perf stat needs to get retire latency value for a metric weilin.wang
2024-03-13  0:03   ` Andi Kleen
2024-03-13  0:26     ` Wang, Weilin
2024-03-13  0:56       ` Andi Kleen
2024-03-13 15:31         ` Wang, Weilin
2024-03-13 15:55           ` Andi Kleen
2024-03-13 16:23             ` Wang, Weilin
2024-03-14  0:00               ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2024-03-24  3:39   ` Ian Rogers
2024-03-12 23:49 ` [RFC PATCH v4 3/6] perf stat: Add retire latency values into the expr_parse_ctx to prepare for final metric calculation weilin.wang
2024-03-24  3:45   ` Ian Rogers
2024-03-12 23:49 ` [RFC PATCH v4 4/6] perf stat: Create another thread for sample data processing weilin.wang
2024-03-12 23:49 ` [RFC PATCH v4 5/6] perf stat: Add retire latency print functions to print out at the very end of print out weilin.wang
2024-03-12 23:49 ` [RFC PATCH v4 6/6] perf vendor events intel: Add MTL metric json files weilin.wang
2024-03-24  4:01 ` [RFC PATCH v4 0/6] TPEBS counting mode support Ian Rogers

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