From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Sanjay Rao <srao@redhat.com>,
Boaz Ben Shabat <bbenshab@redhat.com>,
Joe Mario <jmario@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] coroutine: cap per-thread local pool size
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 17:10:58 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZfnHIv9W-tVoF4Bm@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZfnDTkh5CCHX1WFK@redhat.com>
On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 05:54:38PM +0100, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> Am 19.03.2024 um 14:43 hat Daniel P. Berrangé geschrieben:
> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 02:34:29PM -0400, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > > The coroutine pool implementation can hit the Linux vm.max_map_count
> > > limit, causing QEMU to abort with "failed to allocate memory for stack"
> > > or "failed to set up stack guard page" during coroutine creation.
> > >
> > > This happens because per-thread pools can grow to tens of thousands of
> > > coroutines. Each coroutine causes 2 virtual memory areas to be created.
> >
> > This sounds quite alarming. What usage scenario is justified in
> > creating so many coroutines?
>
> Basically we try to allow pooling coroutines for as many requests as
> there can be in flight at the same time. That is, adding a virtio-blk
> device increases the maximum pool size by num_queues * queue_size. If
> you have a guest with many CPUs, the default num_queues is relatively
> large (the bug referenced by Stefan had 64), and queue_size is 256 by
> default. That's 16k potential requests in flight per disk.
If we have more than 1 virtio-blk device, does that scale
up the max coroutines too ?
eg would 32 virtio-blks devices imply 16k * 32 -> 512k potential
requests/coroutines ?
> > IIUC, coroutine stack size is 1 MB, and so tens of thousands of
> > coroutines implies 10's of GB of memory just on stacks alone.
>
> That's only virtual memory, though. Not sure how much of it is actually
> used in practice.
True, by default Linux wouldn't care too much about virtual memory,
Only if 'vm.overcommit_memory' is changed from its default, such
that Linux applies an overcommit ratio on RAM, then total virtual
memory would be relevant.
> > > Eventually vm.max_map_count is reached and memory-related syscalls fail.
> >
> > On my system max_map_count is 1048576, quite alot higher than
> > 10's of 1000's. Hitting that would imply ~500,000 coroutines and
> > ~500 GB of stacks !
>
> Did you change the configuration some time in the past, or is this just
> a newer default? I get 65530, and that's the same default number I've
> seen in the bug reports.
It turns out it is a Fedora change, rather than a kernel change:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IncreaseVmMaxMapCount
> > > diff --git a/util/qemu-coroutine.c b/util/qemu-coroutine.c
> > > index 5fd2dbaf8b..2790959eaf 100644
> > > --- a/util/qemu-coroutine.c
> > > +++ b/util/qemu-coroutine.c
> >
> > > +static unsigned int get_global_pool_hard_max_size(void)
> > > +{
> > > +#ifdef __linux__
> > > + g_autofree char *contents = NULL;
> > > + int max_map_count;
> > > +
> > > + /*
> > > + * Linux processes can have up to max_map_count virtual memory areas
> > > + * (VMAs). mmap(2), mprotect(2), etc fail with ENOMEM beyond this limit. We
> > > + * must limit the coroutine pool to a safe size to avoid running out of
> > > + * VMAs.
> > > + */
> > > + if (g_file_get_contents("/proc/sys/vm/max_map_count", &contents, NULL,
> > > + NULL) &&
> > > + qemu_strtoi(contents, NULL, 10, &max_map_count) == 0) {
> > > + /*
> > > + * This is a conservative upper bound that avoids exceeding
> > > + * max_map_count. Leave half for non-coroutine users like library
> > > + * dependencies, vhost-user, etc. Each coroutine takes up 2 VMAs so
> > > + * halve the amount again.
> > > + */
> > > + return max_map_count / 4;
> >
> > That's 256,000 coroutines, which still sounds incredibly large
> > to me.
>
> The whole purpose of the limitation is that you won't ever get -ENOMEM
> back, which will likely crash your VM. Even if this hard limit is high,
> that doesn't mean that it's fully used. Your setting of 1048576 probably
> means that you would never have hit the crash anyway.
>
> Even the benchmarks that used to hit the problem don't even get close to
> this hard limit any more because the actual number of coroutines stays
> much smaller after applying this patch.
I'm more thinking about what's the worst case behaviour that a
malicious guest can inflict on QEMU, and cause unexpectedly
high memory usage in the host.
ENOMEM is bad for a friendy VM, but there's also the risk to
the host from a unfriendly VM exploiting the high limits
>
> > > + }
> > > +#endif
> > > +
> > > + return UINT_MAX;
> >
> > Why UINT_MAX as a default ? If we can't read procfs, we should
> > assume some much smaller sane default IMHO, that corresponds to
> > what current linux default max_map_count would be.
>
> I don't think we should artificially limit the pool size and with this
> potentially limit the performance with it even if the host could do more
> if we only allowed it to. If we can't read it from procfs, then it's
> your responsibility as a user to make sure that it's large enough for
> your VM configuration.
With regards,
Daniel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-03-19 17:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-03-18 18:34 [PATCH] coroutine: cap per-thread local pool size Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-03-19 13:32 ` Kevin Wolf
2024-03-19 13:45 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-03-19 14:23 ` Sanjay Rao
2024-03-19 13:43 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-03-19 16:54 ` Kevin Wolf
2024-03-19 17:10 ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2024-03-19 17:41 ` Kevin Wolf
2024-03-19 20:14 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-03-19 17:55 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-03-19 20:10 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-03-20 13:35 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-03-20 14:09 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-03-21 12:21 ` Kevin Wolf
2024-03-21 16:59 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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