From: Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com>
To: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: arve@android.com, brauner@kernel.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
joel@joelfernandes.org, kernel-team@android.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, maco@android.com,
surenb@google.com, tkjos@android.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] binder: introduce BINDER_SET_PROC_FLAGS ioctl
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 22:48:20 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZibpNNp2pH_UJISG@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH5fLgjCmzOXWa7VFg6yCjnTDfu2pcJr9=FngeGg28zCvV49eQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 10:56:31AM +0200, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 1:39 AM Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 08:34:47AM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> > > Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com> writes:
> > > > This new ioctl enables userspace to control the individual behavior of
> > > > the 'struct binder_proc' instance via flags. The driver validates and
> > > > returns the supported subset. Some existing ioctls are migrated to use
> > > > these flags in subsequent commits.
> > > >
> > > > Suggested-by: Arve Hjønnevåg <arve@android.com>
> > > > Signed-off-by: Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com>
> > > > ---
> > > > drivers/android/binder.c | 25 +++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > drivers/android/binder_internal.h | 4 +++-
> > > > include/uapi/linux/android/binder.h | 6 ++++++
> > > > 3 files changed, 34 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > > >
> > > > diff --git a/drivers/android/binder.c b/drivers/android/binder.c
> > > > index bad28cf42010..e0d193bfb237 100644
> > > > --- a/drivers/android/binder.c
> > > > +++ b/drivers/android/binder.c
> > > > @@ -5334,6 +5334,26 @@ static int binder_ioctl_get_extended_error(struct binder_thread *thread,
> > > > return 0;
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > +static int binder_ioctl_set_proc_flags(struct binder_proc *proc,
> > > > + u32 __user *user)
> > > > +{
> > > > + u32 flags;
> > > > +
> > > > + if (get_user(flags, user))
> > > > + return -EFAULT;
> > > > +
> > > > + binder_inner_proc_lock(proc);
> > > > + flags &= PF_SUPPORTED_FLAGS_MASK;
> > > > + proc->flags = flags;
> > > > + binder_inner_proc_unlock(proc);
> > > > +
> > > > + /* confirm supported flags with user */
> > > > + if (put_user(flags, user))
> > > > + return -EFAULT;
> > > > +
> > > > + return 0;
> > > > +}
> > >
> > > I'm just thinking out loud here, but is this the best API for this
> > > ioctl? Using this API, if I want to toggle the oneway-spam-detection
> > > flag, then I can't do so without knowing the value of all other flags,
> > > and I also need to synchronize all calls to this ioctl.
> > >
> > > That's fine for the current use-case where these flags are only set
> > > during startup, but are we confident that no future flag will be toggled
> > > while a process is active?
> >
> > hmmm, this is a very good point. It would probably lead to userspace
> > having to cache its flags for every binder instance. This is not a good
> > solution at all.
> >
> > >
> > > How about these alternatives?
> > >
> > > 1. Userspace passes two masks, one containing bits to set, and another
> > > containing bits to unset. Userspace returns new value of flags. (If
> > > the same bit is set in both masks, we can fail with EINVAL.)
>
> To add to this one, one could also say that if a bit is set in both,
> then the value is toggled.
>
> > > 2. Compare and swap. Userspace passes the expected previous value and
> > > the desired new value. The kernel returns the actual previous value
> > > and updates it only if userspace gave the right previous value.
> > >
> > > 3. Set or unset only. Userspace passes a boolean and a mask. Boolean
> > > determines whether userspace wants to set or unset the bits set in
> > > the mask.
> > >
> > > I don't know what the usual kernel convention is for this kind of
> > > ioctl, so I'm happy with whatever you all think is best.
> >
> > I've never come across these types of alternatives personally. What I've
> > seen however, is the typical SET/GET ioctl pairs. This is a "simpler"
> > interface I guess but it has the downside of an extra roundtrip. e.g.
> >
> > ioctl(fd, BINDER_GET_PROC_FLAGS, &flags);
> > flags |= BF_LARGE_HANDLES;
> > ioctl(fd, BINDER_SET_PROC_FLAGS, &flags);
> >
> > What seems tempting about the SET/GET pair is that we could replace the
> > BINDER_ENABLE_ONEWAY_SPAM_DETECTION with the SET. Instead of maintaining
> > legacy code for the "deprecated" ioctl.
> >
> > wdyt?
> >
> > I'll have a second look at the alternatives you mentioned. Perhaps I can
> > reference some other existing ioctl that does something similar.
>
> Hmm. I don't think a get/set pair improves the situation much.
> Userspace still needs a global mutex for making changes to the flag in
> that case. Otherwise, two threads changing two different flags in
> parallel could result in a race condition where one of the changes is
> lost.
I'm not sure this would ever be a problem, libbinder currently has a
mutex for this kind of things already and it seems unlikely that these
process-wide flags would be toggled outside of initial config. However,
it is worth discussing for sure as things can change.
I'm mainly concern about overloading what should be a very simple ioctl.
With that said, I think one more option that is fairly simple/common is
a SET/CLEAR ioctl pair. A little adaption from your 3rd option I think?
I would be fine with that.
Unfortunately, this would require new ioctl IDs so we would still need
to maintain the ONEWAY_SPAM thing. I suppose that's ok.
Sounds good?
--
Carlos Llamas
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-04-22 22:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-04-17 19:13 [PATCH 0/4] binder: optimize handle generation logic Carlos Llamas
2024-04-17 19:13 ` [PATCH 1/4] binder: introduce BINDER_SET_PROC_FLAGS ioctl Carlos Llamas
2024-04-18 8:34 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-04-20 23:39 ` Carlos Llamas
2024-04-22 8:56 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-04-22 22:48 ` Carlos Llamas [this message]
2024-04-23 8:18 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-04-17 19:13 ` [PATCH 2/4] binder: migrate ioctl to new PF_SPAM_DETECTION Carlos Llamas
2024-04-18 8:12 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-04-20 23:49 ` Carlos Llamas
2024-04-22 8:52 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-04-22 22:24 ` Carlos Llamas
2024-04-17 19:13 ` [PATCH 3/4] binder: add support for PF_LARGE_HANDLES Carlos Llamas
2024-04-18 8:21 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-04-17 19:13 ` [PATCH 4/4] binder: fix max_thread type inconsistency Carlos Llamas
2024-04-18 4:40 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-04-21 0:00 ` Carlos Llamas
2024-04-21 6:39 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-04-21 17:48 ` Carlos Llamas
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