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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>
Cc: Venkatesh Srinivas <venkateshs@chromium.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,  Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: x86: AMD's IBPB is not equivalent to Intel's IBPB
Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 08:42:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZjudUw7Bi7RWqRes@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALMp9eSK-B91vdGZsbbgMitCNuBgBz=s67=PiPLCDxEzhFAb=w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 07, 2024, Jim Mattson wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 7:57 PM Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 6:32 PM Venkatesh Srinivas
> > <venkateshs@chromium.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 1:59 PM Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From Intel's documention [1], "CPUID.(EAX=07H,ECX=0):EDX[26]
> > > > enumerates support for indirect branch restricted speculation (IBRS)
> > > > and the indirect branch predictor barrier (IBPB)." Further, from [2],
> > > > "Software that executed before the IBPB command cannot control the
> > > > predicted targets of indirect branches (4) executed after the command
> > > > on the same logical processor," where footnote 4 reads, "Note that
> > > > indirect branches include near call indirect, near jump indirect and
> > > > near return instructions. Because it includes near returns, it follows
> > > > that **RSB entries created before an IBPB command cannot control the
> > > > predicted targets of returns executed after the command on the same
> > > > logical processor.**" [emphasis mine]
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, AMD's "IBPB may not prevent return branch
> > > > predictions from being specified by pre-IBPB branch targets" [3].
> > > >
> > > > Since Linux sets the synthetic feature bit, X86_FEATURE_IBPB, on AMD
> > > > CPUs that implement the weaker version of IBPB, it is incorrect to
> > > > infer from this and X86_FEATURE_IBRS that the CPU supports the
> > > > stronger version of IBPB indicated by CPUID.(EAX=07H,ECX=0):EDX[26].
> > >
> > > AMD's IBPB does apply to RET predictions if Fn8000_0008_EBX[IBPB_RET] = 1.
> > > Spot checking, Zen4 sets that bit; and the bulletin doesn't apply there.
> >
> > So, with a definition of X86_FEATURE_AMD_IBPB_RET, this could be:
> >
> >        if (boot_cpu_has(X86_FEATURE_AMD_IBPB_RET) &&
> > boot_cpu_has(X86_FEATURE_IBRS))
> >                kvm_cpu_cap_set(X86_FEATURE_SPEC_CTRL);
> >
> > And, in the other direction,
> >
> >     if (boot_cpu_has(X86_FEATURE_SPEC_CTRL))
> >         kvm_cpu_cap_set(X86_FEATURE_AMD_IBPB_RET);
> >
> > But, perhaps all of this cross-vendor equivalence logic belongs in user space.
> 
> In case it wasn't clear, I contend that any cross-vendor equivalence
> logic *does* belong in userspace.
> 
> Thoughts?

Maybe?  I generally like punting these sorts of things to userspace, but as
evidenced by this patch, all of these mitigation "features" are such a godawful
mess that I don't have a problem with KVM doing the heavy lifting.

E.g. I suspect that having KVM enumerate both vendor's bits makes it much easier
for QEMU to support pre-defined uarch models while still retaining sanity checks
that the features being enumerated to the guest are indeed supported by the host.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-08 15:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-11 20:58 [PATCH] KVM: x86: AMD's IBPB is not equivalent to Intel's IBPB Jim Mattson
2024-04-12  1:32 ` Venkatesh Srinivas
2024-04-12  2:57   ` Jim Mattson
2024-05-07 20:32     ` Jim Mattson
2024-05-08 15:42       ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-08-16 14:25     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-16 17:12       ` Jim Mattson
2024-08-16 21:26         ` Sean Christopherson

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