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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Weijiang Yang <weijiang.yang@intel.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	 dave.hansen@intel.com, x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	chao.gao@intel.com,  mlevitsk@redhat.com, john.allen@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 24/27] KVM: x86: Enable CET virtualization for VMX and advertise to userspace
Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 10:09:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZkuD1uglu5WFSoxR@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a170e420-efc3-47f9-b825-43229c999c0d@intel.com>

On Mon, May 20, 2024, Weijiang Yang wrote:
> On 5/17/2024 10:26 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Fri, May 17, 2024, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 16 2024 at 07:39, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > > On Thu, May 16, 2024, Weijiang Yang wrote:
> > > > > We synced the issue internally, and got conclusion that KVM should honor host
> > > > > IBT config.  In this case IBT bit in boot_cpu_data should be honored.  With
> > > > > this policy, it can avoid CPUID confusion to guest side due to host ibt=off
> > > > > config.
> > > > What was the reasoning?  CPUID confusion is a weak justification, e.g. it's not
> > > > like the guest has visibility into the host kernel, and raw CPUID will still show
> > > > IBT support in the host.
> > > > 
> > > > On the other hand, I can definitely see folks wanting to expose IBT to guests
> > > > when running non-complaint host kernels, especially when live migration is in
> > > > play, i.e. when hiding IBT from the guest will actively cause problems.
> > > I have to disagree here violently.
> > > 
> > > If the exposure of a CPUID bit to a guest requires host side support,
> > > e.g. in xstate handling, then exposing it to a guest is simply not
> > > possible.
> > Ya, I don't disagree, I just didn't realize that CET_USER would be cleared in the
> > supported xfeatures mask.
> 
> For host side support, fortunately,  this patch already has some checks for
> that. But for userspace CPUID config, it allows IBT to be exposed alone.
> 
> IIUC, this series tries to tie IBT to SHSTK feature, i.e., IBT cannot be
> exposed as an independent feature to guest without exposing SHSTK at the same
> time. If it is, then below patch is not needed anymore:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240219074733.122080-3-weijiang.yang@intel.com/

That's a question for the x86 maintainers.  Specifically, do they want to allow
enabling XFEATURE_CET_USER even if userspace shadow stack support is disabled.

I don't think it impacts KVM, at least not directly.  Regardless of what decision
the kernel makes, KVM needs to disable IBT and SHSTK if CET_USER _or_ CET_KERNEL
is missing, which KVM already does via:

	if ((kvm_caps.supported_xss & (XFEATURE_MASK_CET_USER |
	     XFEATURE_MASK_CET_KERNEL)) !=
	    (XFEATURE_MASK_CET_USER | XFEATURE_MASK_CET_KERNEL)) {
		kvm_cpu_cap_clear(X86_FEATURE_SHSTK);
		kvm_cpu_cap_clear(X86_FEATURE_IBT);
		kvm_caps.supported_xss &= ~(XFEATURE_MASK_CET_USER |
					    XFEATURE_MASK_CET_KERNEL);
	}

> I'd check and clear IBT bit from CPUID when userspace enables only IBT via
> KVM_SET_CPUID2.

No.  It is userspace's responsibility to provide a sane CPUID model for the guest.
KVM needs to ensure that *KVM* doesn't treat IBT as supported if the kernel doesn't
allow XFEATURE_CET_USER, but userspace can advertise whatever it wants to the guest
(and gets to keep the pieces if it does something funky).

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-20 17:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-19  7:47 [PATCH v10 00/27] Enable CET Virtualization Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 01/27] x86/fpu/xstate: Always preserve non-user xfeatures/flags in __state_perm Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 02/27] x86/fpu/xstate: Refine CET user xstate bit enabling Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 03/27] x86/fpu/xstate: Add CET supervisor mode state support Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 04/27] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce XFEATURE_MASK_KERNEL_DYNAMIC xfeature set Yang Weijiang
2024-05-01 18:45   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-02 17:46     ` Dave Hansen
2024-05-07 22:57       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-07 23:17         ` Dave Hansen
2024-05-08  1:19           ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 05/27] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce fpu_guest_cfg for guest FPU configuration Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 06/27] x86/fpu/xstate: Create guest fpstate with guest specific config Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 07/27] x86/fpu/xstate: Warn if kernel dynamic xfeatures detected in normal fpstate Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 08/27] KVM: x86: Rework cpuid_get_supported_xcr0() to operate on vCPU data Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 09/27] KVM: x86: Rename kvm_{g,s}et_msr()* to menifest emulation operations Yang Weijiang
2024-05-01 18:54   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-06  5:58     ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 10/27] KVM: x86: Refine xsave-managed guest register/MSR reset handling Yang Weijiang
2024-02-20  3:04   ` Chao Gao
2024-02-20 13:23     ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-05-01 20:40   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-06  7:26     ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 11/27] KVM: x86: Add kvm_msr_{read,write}() helpers Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 12/27] KVM: x86: Report XSS as to-be-saved if there are supported features Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 13/27] KVM: x86: Refresh CPUID on write to guest MSR_IA32_XSS Yang Weijiang
2024-02-20  8:51   ` Chao Gao
2024-05-01 20:43   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-06  7:30     ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 14/27] KVM: x86: Initialize kvm_caps.supported_xss Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 15/27] KVM: x86: Load guest FPU state when access XSAVE-managed MSRs Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 16/27] KVM: x86: Add fault checks for guest CR4.CET setting Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 17/27] KVM: x86: Report KVM supported CET MSRs as to-be-saved Yang Weijiang
2024-05-01 22:40   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-06  8:31     ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-05-07 17:27       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-08  7:00         ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 18/27] KVM: VMX: Introduce CET VMCS fields and control bits Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 19/27] KVM: x86: Use KVM-governed feature framework to track "SHSTK/IBT enabled" Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 20/27] KVM: VMX: Emulate read and write to CET MSRs Yang Weijiang
2024-03-12 22:55   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-13  9:43     ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-03-13 16:00       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 21/27] KVM: x86: Save and reload SSP to/from SMRAM Yang Weijiang
2024-05-01 22:50   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-06  8:41     ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 22/27] KVM: VMX: Set up interception for CET MSRs Yang Weijiang
2024-05-01 23:07   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-06  8:48     ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 23/27] KVM: VMX: Set host constant supervisor states to VMCS fields Yang Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 24/27] KVM: x86: Enable CET virtualization for VMX and advertise to userspace Yang Weijiang
2024-05-01 23:15   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-01 23:24     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-05-06  9:19     ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-05-06 16:54       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-07  2:37         ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-05-06 17:05       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-05-06 23:33         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-06 23:53           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-05-07 14:21             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-07 14:45               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-05-07 15:08                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-07 15:33                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-05-16  7:13     ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-05-16 14:39       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-16 15:36         ` Dave Hansen
2024-05-16 16:58           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-17  8:27             ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-05-17  8:57         ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-17 14:26           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-20  9:43             ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-05-20 17:09               ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-05-20 17:15                 ` Dave Hansen
2024-05-22  9:03                   ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-05-22 15:06                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-05-23 10:07                       ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-05-22  8:41                 ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-05-27  9:05                   ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-05-01 23:34   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-06  9:41     ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-05-16  7:20       ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-05-16 14:43         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-17  8:04           ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 25/27] KVM: nVMX: Introduce new VMX_BASIC bit for event error_code delivery to L1 Yang Weijiang
2024-05-01 23:19   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-06  9:19     ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 26/27] KVM: nVMX: Enable CET support for nested guest Yang Weijiang
2024-05-01 23:23   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-06  9:25     ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-02-19  7:47 ` [PATCH v10 27/27] KVM: x86: Don't emulate instructions guarded by CET Yang Weijiang
2024-05-01 23:24   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-06  9:26     ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-03-06 14:44 ` [PATCH v10 00/27] Enable CET Virtualization Yang, Weijiang
2024-05-01 23:27 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-06  9:31   ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-11-05 18:25     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-11-06  1:45       ` Yang, Weijiang
2024-11-06  3:20         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-11-06 16:32           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-07  2:05             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-11-12  0:33             ` Chao Gao
2024-11-12 20:03               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-11-13 10:53                 ` Chao Gao

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