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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Mark Cave-Ayland" <mark.cave-ayland@ilande.co.uk>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"Alexander Graf" <agraf@csgraf.de>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/3] docs: define policy forbidding use of "AI" / LLM code generators
Date: Tue, 28 May 2024 17:41:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZlX7NxLNCKQkrX44@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240516162230.937047-1-berrange@redhat.com>

Am 16.05.2024 um 18:22 hat Daniel P. Berrangé geschrieben:
> This patch kicks the hornet's nest of AI / LLM code generators.
> 
> With the increasing interest in code generators in recent times,
> it is inevitable that QEMU contributions will include AI generated
> code. Thus far we have remained silent on the matter. Given that
> everyone knows these tools exist, our current position has to be
> considered tacit acceptance of the use of AI generated code in QEMU.
> 
> The question for the project is whether that is a good position for
> QEMU to take or not ?
> 
> IANAL, but I like to think I'm reasonably proficient at understanding
> open source licensing. I am not inherantly against the use of AI tools,
> rather I am anti-risk. I also want to see OSS licenses respected and
> complied with.
> 
> AFAICT at its current state of (im)maturity the question of licensing
> of AI code generator output does not have a broadly accepted / settled
> legal position. This is an inherant bias/self-interest from the vendors
> promoting their usage, who tend to minimize/dismiss the legal questions.
> From my POV, this puts such tools in a position of elevated legal risk.
> 
> Given the fuzziness over the legal position of generated code from
> such tools, I don't consider it credible (today) for a contributor
> to assert compliance with the DCO terms (b) or (c) (which is a stated
> pre-requisite for QEMU accepting patches) when a patch includes (or is
> derived from) AI generated code.
> 
> By implication, I think that QEMU must (for now) explicitly decline
> to (knowingly) accept AI generated code.
> 
> Perhaps a few years down the line the legal uncertainty will have
> reduced and we can re-evaluate this policy.
> 
> Discuss...
> 
> Changes in v2:
> 
>  * Fix a huge number of typos in docs
>  * Clarify that maintainers should still add R-b where relevant, even
>    if they are already adding their own S-oB.
>  * Clarify situation when contributor re-starts previously abandoned
>    work from another contributor.
>  * Add info about Suggested-by tag
>  * Add new docs section dealing with the broad topic of "generated
>    files" (whether code generators or compilers)
>  * Simplify the section related to prohibition of AI generated files
>    and give further examples of tools considered covered
>  * Remove repeated references to "LLM" as a specific technology, just
>    use the broad "AI" term, except for one use of LLM as an example.
>  * Add note that the policy may evolve if the legal clarity improves
>  * Add note that exceptions can be requested on case-by-case basis
>    if contributor thinks they can demonstrate a credible copyright
>    and licensing status
> 
> Daniel P. Berrangé (3):
>   docs: introduce dedicated page about code provenance / sign-off
>   docs: define policy limiting the inclusion of generated files
>   docs: define policy forbidding use of AI code generators
> 
>  docs/devel/code-provenance.rst    | 315 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  docs/devel/index-process.rst      |   1 +
>  docs/devel/submitting-a-patch.rst |  19 +-
>  3 files changed, 318 insertions(+), 17 deletions(-)
>  create mode 100644 docs/devel/code-provenance.rst

Reviewed-by: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>



      parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-28 15:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-16 16:22 [PATCH v2 0/3] docs: define policy forbidding use of "AI" / LLM code generators Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-16 16:22 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] docs: introduce dedicated page about code provenance / sign-off Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-16 17:29   ` Peter Maydell
2024-05-16 17:34     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-05-16 17:43       ` Peter Maydell
2024-05-17  5:05         ` Thomas Huth
2024-05-17 10:03           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-16 17:33   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-05-17 11:09     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-17 18:08   ` Alex Bennée
2024-05-16 16:22 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] docs: define policy limiting the inclusion of generated files Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-16 17:04   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-05-17 10:51     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-17 18:23   ` Alex Bennée
2024-05-28 15:41   ` Kevin Wolf
2024-05-16 16:22 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] docs: define policy forbidding use of AI code generators Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-16 17:11   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-05-17 10:57     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-16 17:20 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] docs: define policy forbidding use of "AI" / LLM " Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-05-16 17:34   ` Peter Maydell
2024-05-16 17:36     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-05-21 14:27 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-05-28 15:41 ` Kevin Wolf [this message]

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