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From: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>,
	snitzer@hammerspace.com
Subject: Re: [for-6.11 PATCH 10/29] nfs/nfsd: add "local io" support
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 23:41:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZmkZAJtd3MhlXM7O@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <171816222529.14261.9832643931623454806@noble.neil.brown.name>

On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 01:17:05PM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> > 
> > SO I looked, and I'm saddened to see Neil's 6.8 commit 1e3577a4521e
> > ("SUNRPC: discard sv_refcnt, and svc_get/svc_put").
> > 
> > [the lack of useful refcounting with the current code kind of blew me
> > away.. but nice to see it existed not too long ago.]
> > 
> > Rather than immediately invest the effort to revert commit
> > 1e3577a4521e for my apparent needs... I'll send out v2 to allow for
> > further review and discussion.
> > 
> > But it really does feel like I _need_ svc_{get,put} and nfsd_{get,put}
> 
> You are taking a reference, and at the right time.  But it is to the
> wrong thing.

Well, that reference is to ensure nfsd (and nfsd_open_local_fh) is
available for the duration of a local client connected to it.

Really wasn't trying to keep nn->nfsd_serv around with this ;)

> You call symbol_request(nfsd_open_local_fh) and so get a reference to
> the nfsd module.  But you really want a reference to the nfsd service.
> 
> I would suggest that you use symbol_request() to get a function which
> you then call and immediately symbol_put().... unless you need to use it
> to discard the reference to the service later.

Getting the nfsd_open_local_fh symbol once when client handshakes with
server is meant to avoid needing to do so for every IO the client
issues to the local server.

> The function would take nfsd_mutex, check there is an nfsd_serv, sets a
> flag or whatever to indicate the serv is being used for local_io, and
> maybe returns the nfsd_serv.  As long as that flag is set the serv
> cannot be destroy.
>
> Do you need there to be available threads for LOCAL_IO to work?  If so
> the flag would cause setting the num threads to zero to fail.
> If not ....  that is weird.  It would mean that setting the number of
> threads to zero would not destroy the service and I don't think we want
> to do that.
> 
> So I think that when LOCAL_IO is in use, setting number of threads to
> zero must return EBUSY or similar, even if you don't need the threads.

Yes, but I really dislike needing to play games with a tangential
characteristic of nfsd_serv (that threads are what hold reference),
rather than have the ability to keep the nfsd_serv around in a cleaner
way.

This localio code doesn't run in nfsd context so it isn't using nfsd's
threads. Forcing threads to be held in reserve because localio doesn't
want nfsd_serv to go away isn't ideal.

Does it maybe make sense to introduce a more narrow svc_get/svc_put
for this auxillary usecase?

Thanks,
Mike

  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-12  3:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-07 14:26 [for-6.11 PATCH 00/29] nfs/nfsd: add support for localio bypass Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 01/29] nfs: pass nfs_client to nfs_initiate_pgio Mike Snitzer
2024-06-10 12:02   ` Jeff Layton
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 02/29] nfs: pass nfs_client to nfs_initiate_commit Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 03/29] nfs: pass descriptor thru nfs_initiate_pgio path Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 04/29] sunrpc: handle NULL req->defer in cache_defer_req Mike Snitzer
2024-06-10 12:21   ` Jeff Layton
2024-06-11  1:03     ` NeilBrown
2024-06-11  2:57       ` Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 05/29] sunrpc: export svc_defer Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 06/29] sunrpc: add rpcauth_map_to_svc_cred Mike Snitzer
2024-06-10 12:19   ` Jeff Layton
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 07/29] sunrpc: add and export rpc_ntop6_addr_noscopeid Mike Snitzer
2024-06-09 12:36   ` Jeff Layton
2024-06-10 16:33     ` Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 08/29] nfs: move nfs_stat_to_errno to nfs.h Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 09/29] NFS: Manage boot verifier correctly in the case of localio Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 10/29] nfs/nfsd: add "local io" support Mike Snitzer
2024-06-10 12:43   ` Jeff Layton
2024-06-10 16:42     ` Mike Snitzer
2024-06-12  2:25       ` Mike Snitzer
2024-06-12  3:17         ` NeilBrown
2024-06-12  3:41           ` Mike Snitzer [this message]
2024-06-12  4:09             ` NeilBrown
2024-06-12  4:48               ` Mike Snitzer
2024-06-12  6:30                 ` NeilBrown
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 11/29] NFS: Enable localio for non-pNFS I/O Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 12/29] nfs/flexfiles: check local DS when making DS connections Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 13/29] pnfs/flexfiles: Enable localio for flexfiles I/O Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 14/29] NFS: Add tracepoints for nfs_local_enable and nfs_local_disable Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 15/29] NFS: Don't call filesystem write() routines directly Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 16/29] NFS: Don't call filesystem read() " Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 17/29] NFS: Use completion rather than flush_work() in nfs_local_commit() Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 18/29] NFS: localio writes need to use a normal workqueue Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 19/29] nfs/write: fix nfs_initiate_commit to return error from nfs_local_commit Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 20/29] nfs/localio: discontinue network address based localio setup Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 21/29] nfs_common: add NFS v3 LOCALIO protocol extension enablement Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 22/29] nfs: implement v3 client support for NFS_LOCALIO_PROGRAM Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 23/29] nfsd: implement v3 server " Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 24/29] nfs_common: add NFS v4 LOCALIO protocol extension enablement Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 25/29] nfs: implement v4 client support for NFS_LOCALIO_PROGRAM Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 26/29] nfsd: implement v4 server " Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 27/29] nfs/nfsd: switch GETUUID to using {encode,decode}_opaque_fixed Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 28/29] nfs/nfsd: consolidate {encode,decode}_opaque_fixed in nfs_xdr.h Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 14:26 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 29/29] nfs/localio: move managing nfsd_open_local_fh symbol to nfs_common Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 18:06 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 30/29] nfs/nfsd: ensure localio server always uses its network namespace Mike Snitzer
2024-06-09 15:44   ` Chuck Lever
2024-06-10 16:50     ` Mike Snitzer
2024-06-10 22:37       ` Mike Snitzer
2024-06-07 18:09 ` [for-6.11 PATCH 00/29] nfs/nfsd: add support for localio bypass Mike Snitzer
2024-06-10 12:47 ` Jeff Layton
2024-06-10 16:47   ` Mike Snitzer

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