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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>
Cc: "snitzer@kernel.org" <snitzer@kernel.org>,
	"bfoster@redhat.com" <bfoster@redhat.com>,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] xfs: enable WQ_MEM_RECLAIM on m_sync_workqueue
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:04:49 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZoP68e8Ib2wIRLRC@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f54618f78737bab3388a6bb747e8509311bf8d93.camel@hammerspace.com>

On Tue, Jul 02, 2024 at 12:33:53PM +0000, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> On Mon, 2024-07-01 at 10:13 -0400, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 09:46:36AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > IMO, the only sane way to ensure this sort of nested "back-end page
> > > cleaning submits front-end IO filesystem IO" mechanism works is to
> > > do something similar to the loop device. You most definitely don't
> > > want to be doing buffered IO (double caching is almost always bad)
> > > and you want to be doing async direct IO so that the submission
> > > thread is not waiting on completion before the next IO is
> > > submitted.
> > 
> > Yes, follow-on work is for me to revive the directio path for localio
> > that ultimately wasn't pursued (or properly wired up) because it
> > creates DIO alignment requirements on NFS client IO:
> > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/snitzer/linux.git/commit/?h=nfs-localio-for-6.11-testing&id=f6c9f51fca819a8af595a4eb94811c1f90051eab

I don't follow - this is page cache writeback. All the write IO from
the bdi flusher thread should be page aligned, right? So why does DIO
alignment matter here?

> > But underlying filesystems (like XFS) have the appropriate checks, we
> > just need to fail gracefully and disable NFS localio if the IO is
> > misaligned.
> > 
> 
> Just a reminder to everyone that this is replacing a configuration
> which would in any case result in double caching, because without the
> localio change, it would end up being a loopback mount through the NFS
> server.

Sure. That doesn't mean double caching is desirable and it's
something we try should avoid if we trying to design a fast
server bypass mechanism.

-Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-02 13:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-28 16:18 [RFC PATCH] xfs: enable WQ_MEM_RECLAIM on m_sync_workqueue Mike Snitzer
2024-06-30 16:35 ` [PATCH v2] " Mike Snitzer
2024-06-30 23:46   ` Dave Chinner
2024-07-01  4:45     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-02 23:51       ` Dave Chinner
2024-07-03 11:29       ` NeilBrown
2024-07-03 14:15         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-03 23:02           ` Dave Chinner
2024-07-09 23:12           ` NeilBrown
2024-07-11 11:55             ` Dave Chinner
2024-07-01 14:13     ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 12:33       ` Trond Myklebust
2024-07-02 13:04         ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2024-07-02 14:00           ` Trond Myklebust
2024-07-02 23:15             ` Dave Chinner
2024-07-06  0:32             ` NeilBrown
2024-07-06  6:13               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-06  6:37                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-09 23:39                   ` NeilBrown

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