From: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
To: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, brauner@kernel.org,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
liam.howlett@oracle.com, surenb@google.com, rppt@kernel.org,
adobriyan@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 3/6] fs/procfs: add build ID fetching to PROCMAP_QUERY API
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2024 07:49:57 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZoQTlSLDwaX3u37r@tassilo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEf4Bzb3CnCKZi-kZ21F=qM0BHvJnexgajP0mHanRfEOzzES6A@mail.gmail.com>
> 1) non-executable file-backed VMA still has build ID associated with
> it. Note, build ID is extracted from the backing file's content, not
> from VMA itself. The part of ELF file that contains build ID isn't
> necessarily mmap()'ed at all
That's true, but there should be at least one executable mapping
for any useful ELF file.
Basically such a check guarantee that you cannot tell anything
about a non x mapping not related to ELF.
>
> 2) What sort of exploitation are we talking about here? it's not
> enough for backing file to have correct 4 starting bytes (0x7f"ELF"),
> we still have to find correct PT_NOTE segment, and .note.gnu.build-id
> section within it, that has correct type (3) and key name "GNU".
There's a timing side channel, you can tell where the checks
stop. I don't think it's a big problem, but it's still better to avoid
such leaks in the first place as much as possible.
>
> I'm trying to understand what we are protecting against here.
> Especially that opening /proc/<pid>/maps already requires
> PTRACE_MODE_READ permissions anyways (or pid should be self).
While that's true for the standard security permission model there might
be non standard ones where the relationship is more complicated.
-Andi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-07-02 14:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-27 17:08 [PATCH v6 0/6] ioctl()-based API to query VMAs from /proc/<pid>/maps Andrii Nakryiko
2024-06-27 17:08 ` [PATCH v6 1/6] fs/procfs: extract logic for getting VMA name constituents Andrii Nakryiko
2024-06-27 17:08 ` [PATCH v6 2/6] fs/procfs: implement efficient VMA querying API for /proc/<pid>/maps Andrii Nakryiko
2024-06-27 17:08 ` [PATCH v6 3/6] fs/procfs: add build ID fetching to PROCMAP_QUERY API Andrii Nakryiko
2024-06-27 23:00 ` Andi Kleen
2024-06-28 16:36 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-06-28 22:33 ` Andi Kleen
2024-06-28 23:03 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-02 14:49 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2024-07-02 23:08 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-08 23:43 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-09 1:27 ` Andi Kleen
2024-07-09 3:14 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-29 15:47 ` Jann Horn
2024-07-29 16:52 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-06-27 17:08 ` [PATCH v6 4/6] docs/procfs: call out ioctl()-based PROCMAP_QUERY command existence Andrii Nakryiko
2024-06-27 17:08 ` [PATCH v6 5/6] tools: sync uapi/linux/fs.h header into tools subdir Andrii Nakryiko
2024-06-27 17:08 ` [PATCH v6 6/6] selftests/proc: add PROCMAP_QUERY ioctl tests Andrii Nakryiko
2024-06-27 19:59 ` [PATCH v6 0/6] ioctl()-based API to query VMAs from /proc/<pid>/maps Andrew Morton
2024-06-27 20:50 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-06-27 21:11 ` Andrew Morton
2024-06-28 16:42 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-10 18:32 ` Andrew Morton
2024-07-10 18:41 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-11 18:07 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-07-24 16:32 ` Alexey Dobriyan
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