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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	 Vineeth Remanan Pillai <vineeth@bitbyteword.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>,  Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	 Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	 "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,  Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	 Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	 Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	 Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	himadrics@inria.fr,  kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,  graf@amazon.com,
	drjunior.org@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] Paravirt Scheduling (Dynamic vcpu priority management)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 10:08:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZpFjG-seBN33uTP2@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <66915ef3.050a0220.72f83.316b@mx.google.com>

On Fri, Jul 12, 2024, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 09:44:16AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 12, 2024, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > > On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 10:09:03 -0400
> > > Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Steven Rostedt told me, what we instead need is a tracepoint callback in a
> > > > > driver, that does the boosting.  
> > > > 
> > > > I utterly dislike changing the system behavior through tracepoints. They were
> > > > designed to observe the system, not modify its behavior. If people start abusing
> > > > them, then subsystem maintainers will stop adding them. Please don't do that.
> > > > Add a notifier or think about integrating what you are planning to add into the
> > > > driver instead.
> > > 
> > > I tend to agree that a notifier would be much better than using
> > > tracepoints, but then I also think eBPF has already let that cat out of
> > > the bag. :-p
> > > 
> > > All we need is a notifier that gets called at every VMEXIT.
> > 
> > Why?  The only argument I've seen for needing to hook VM-Exit is so that the
> > host can speculatively boost the priority of the vCPU when deliverying an IRQ,
> > but (a) I'm unconvinced that is necessary, i.e. that the vCPU needs to be boosted
> > _before_ the guest IRQ handler is invoked and (b) it has almost no benefit on
> > modern hardware that supports posted interrupts and IPI virtualization, i.e. for
> > which there will be no VM-Exit.
> 
> I am a bit confused by your statement Sean, because if a higher prio HOST
> thread wakes up on the vCPU thread's phyiscal CPU, then a VM-Exit should
> happen. That has nothing to do with IRQ delivery.  What am I missing?

Why does that require hooking VM-Exit?

  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-12 17:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-03 14:01 [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] Paravirt Scheduling (Dynamic vcpu priority management) Vineeth Pillai (Google)
2024-04-03 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/5] pvsched: paravirt scheduling framework Vineeth Pillai (Google)
2024-04-08 13:57   ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-04-03 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/5] kvm: Implement the paravirt sched framework for kvm Vineeth Pillai (Google)
2024-04-08 13:58   ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-04-03 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/5] kvm: interface for managing pvsched driver for guest VMs Vineeth Pillai (Google)
2024-04-06  5:56   ` kernel test robot
2024-04-08 13:59   ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-04-03 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/5] pvsched: bpf support for pvsched Vineeth Pillai (Google)
2024-04-08 14:00   ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-04-03 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/5] selftests/bpf: sample implementation of a bpf pvsched driver Vineeth Pillai (Google)
2024-04-08 14:01   ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-04-08 13:54 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/5] Paravirt Scheduling (Dynamic vcpu priority management) Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-05-01 15:29 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-02 13:42   ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-06-24 11:01     ` Vineeth Remanan Pillai
2024-07-12 12:57       ` Joel Fernandes
2024-07-12 14:09         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-07-12 14:48           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-12 15:32             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-07-12 16:14               ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-12 16:30               ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-12 16:39                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-12 17:02                   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-12 16:24           ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-12 16:44             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-12 16:50               ` Joel Fernandes
2024-07-12 17:08                 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-07-12 17:14                   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-12 17:12               ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-16 23:44                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-17  0:13                   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-17  5:16                   ` Joel Fernandes
2024-07-17 14:14                     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-17 14:36                       ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-17 14:52                         ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-17 15:20                           ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-17 17:03                             ` Suleiman Souhlal
2024-07-17 20:57                             ` Joel Fernandes
2024-07-17 21:00                               ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-17 21:09                                 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-07-12 16:24           ` Joel Fernandes
2024-07-12 17:28             ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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