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From: Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, x86@kernel.org,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Gavin Shan <gshan@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/19] mm: Support huge pfnmaps
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:36:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zr0_Y7tQ-fBMKxKH@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240814221031.GA2032816@nvidia.com>

On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 07:10:31PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:

[...]

> > Nope.  KVM ARM does (see get_vma_page_shift()) but I strongly suspect that's only
> > a win in very select use cases, and is overall a non-trivial loss.  
> 
> Ah that ARM behavior was probably what was being mentioned then! So
> take my original remark as applying to this :)
> 
> > > I don't quite understand your safety argument, if the VMA has 1G of
> > > contiguous physical memory described with 4K it is definitely safe for
> > > KVM to reassemble that same memory and represent it as 1G.
> >
> > That would require taking mmap_lock to get the VMA, which would be a net negative,
> > especially for workloads that are latency sensitive.
> 
> You can aggregate if the read and aggregating logic are protected by
> mmu notifiers, I think. A invalidation would still have enough
> information to clear the aggregate shadow entry. If you get a sequence
> number collision then you'd throw away the aggregation.
> 
> But yes, I also think it would be slow to have aggregation logic in
> KVM. Doing in the main mmu is much better.

+1.

For KVM/arm64 I'm quite hesitant to change the behavior to PTE mappings
in this situation (i.e. dump get_vma_page_shift()), as I'm quite certain
that'll have a performance regression on someone's workload. But once we
can derive huge PFNMAP from the primary MMU then we should just normalize
on that.

-- 
Thanks,
Oliver


  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-14 23:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-09 16:08 [PATCH 00/19] mm: Support huge pfnmaps Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 01/19] mm: Introduce ARCH_SUPPORTS_HUGE_PFNMAP and special bits to pmd/pud Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:34   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-09 17:16     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-09 18:06       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 02/19] mm: Drop is_huge_zero_pud() Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:34   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-14 12:38   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 03/19] mm: Mark special bits for huge pfn mappings when inject Peter Xu
2024-08-14 12:40   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 15:23     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-14 15:53       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 04/19] mm: Allow THP orders for PFNMAPs Peter Xu
2024-08-14 12:40   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 05/19] mm/gup: Detect huge pfnmap entries in gup-fast Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:23   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-09 16:59     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-14 12:42       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 15:34         ` Peter Xu
2024-08-14 12:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 06/19] mm/pagewalk: Check pfnmap early for folio_walk_start() Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:20   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-09 16:54     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-09 17:25       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-09 21:37         ` Peter Xu
2024-08-14 13:05         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-16  9:30           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-16 14:21             ` Peter Xu
2024-08-16 17:38               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-21 18:42                 ` Peter Xu
2024-08-16 17:56               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 12:19                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-19 14:19                   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 07/19] mm/fork: Accept huge pfnmap entries Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:32   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-09 17:15     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-09 17:59       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-12 18:29         ` Peter Xu
2024-08-12 18:50           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-12 19:05             ` Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 08/19] mm: Always define pxx_pgprot() Peter Xu
2024-08-14 13:09   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 15:43     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:08 ` [PATCH 09/19] mm: New follow_pfnmap API Peter Xu
2024-08-14 13:19   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 18:24     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-14 22:14       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-15 15:41         ` Peter Xu
2024-08-15 16:16           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-15 17:21             ` Peter Xu
2024-08-15 17:24               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-15 18:52                 ` Peter Xu
2024-08-16 23:12   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-17 11:05     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-21 19:10     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 10/19] KVM: Use " Peter Xu
2024-08-09 17:23   ` Axel Rasmussen
2024-08-12 18:58     ` Peter Xu
2024-08-12 22:47       ` Axel Rasmussen
2024-08-12 23:44         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-14 13:15           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 14:23             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 11/19] s390/pci_mmio: " Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 12/19] mm/x86/pat: Use the new " Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 13/19] vfio: " Peter Xu
2024-08-14 13:20   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 14/19] acrn: " Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 15/19] mm/access_process_vm: " Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 16/19] mm: Remove follow_pte() Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 17/19] mm/x86: Support large pfn mappings Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 18/19] mm/arm64: " Peter Xu
2024-08-09 16:09 ` [PATCH 19/19] vfio/pci: Implement huge_fault support Peter Xu
2024-08-14 13:25   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 16:08     ` Alex Williamson
2024-08-14 16:24       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-09 18:12 ` [PATCH 00/19] mm: Support huge pfnmaps David Hildenbrand
2024-08-14 12:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 14:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-14 14:42     ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-08-14 14:43     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 20:54       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-14 22:00         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-14 22:10         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-14 23:36           ` Oliver Upton [this message]
2024-08-14 23:27         ` Oliver Upton
2024-08-14 23:38           ` Oliver Upton
2024-08-15  0:23             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-15 19:20   ` Peter Xu
2024-08-16  3:05     ` Kefeng Wang
2024-08-16 14:33       ` Peter Xu
2024-08-19 13:14         ` Kefeng Wang

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