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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] bcachefs: Switch to memalloc_flags_do() for vmalloc allocations
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:18:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zta4R1FQGcXPDLk6@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALOAHbD=mzSBoNqCVf5TTOge4oTZq7Foxdv4H2U1zfBwjNoVKA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue 03-09-24 14:34:05, Yafang Shao wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 5:09 PM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon 02-09-24 17:01:12, Yafang Shao wrote:
> > > > I really do not see why GFP_NOFAIL should be any special in this
> > > > specific case.
> > >
> > > I believe there's no way to stop it from looping, even if you
> > > implement a sophisticated user space OOM killer. ;)
> >
> > User space OOM killer should be helping to replenish a free memory and
> > we have some heuristics to help NOFAIL users out with some portion of
> > memory reserves already IIRC. So we do already give them some special
> > treatment in the page allocator path. Not so much in the reclaim path.
> 
> When setting GFP_NOFAIL, it's important to not only enable direct
> reclaim but also the OOM killer. In scenarios where swap is off and
> there is minimal page cache, setting GFP_NOFAIL without __GFP_FS can
> result in an infinite loop. In other words, GFP_NOFAIL should not be
> used with GFP_NOFS. Unfortunately, many call sites do combine them.

This is the case with GFP_NOFS on its own already. NOFAIL is no
different and both will be looping for ever. We heavily rely on kswapd
or other GFP_KERNEL's direct reclaim to allow for forward progress.

Unfortunatelly we haven't really found a better way to deal with NOFS
only/predominant workloads.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-03  7:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-28 14:06 [PATCH] bcachefs: Switch to memalloc_flags_do() for vmalloc allocations Kent Overstreet
2024-08-28 18:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-28 19:11   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-28 19:26     ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-28 22:58       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29  7:19         ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-29 11:41           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 11:08         ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-29 11:55           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 12:34             ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-29 12:42               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 14:27             ` Dave Chinner
2024-08-30  3:39               ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-08-31 15:46                 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-30  9:14               ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-30 15:25                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-09-02  3:00                   ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-01  3:35                 ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-02  3:02                   ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-02  8:11                     ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-02  9:01                       ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-02  9:09                         ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-03  6:34                           ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-03  7:18                             ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2024-09-03 12:44                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-09-03 13:15                               ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-03 14:03                                 ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-03 13:30                               ` Michal Hocko

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