From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Dan Magenheimer Subject: RE: xend doesn't start with xen-staging tip (on ubuntu 9.10 or 10.04) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 10:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <15f40cff-693e-4937-87cf-7820855ade5c@default> <19483.40797.488909.255101@mariner.uk.xensource.com> <9209fdbb-1a53-42a5-8fa9-66712e830bc4@default> <19487.37319.13909.653631@mariner.uk.xensource.com> <4f51b6f4-1623-46a9-8c89-38fe1a244033@default 19487.40045.109625.36357@mariner.uk.xensource.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: In-Reply-To: <19487.40045.109625.36357@mariner.uk.xensource.com> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xen-devel-bounces@lists.xensource.com Errors-To: xen-devel-bounces@lists.xensource.com To: Ian Jackson Cc: Patrick Colp , xen-devel@lists.xensource.com, Dulloor , Stefano Stabellini List-Id: xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org > From: Ian Jackson [mailto:Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com] >=20 > Dan Magenheimer writes ("RE: [Xen-devel] xend doesn't start with xen- > staging tip (on ubuntu 9.10 or 10.04)"): > > "Your networking to your Xen guests which always worked has > > suddenly stopped working when you've upgraded to the latest > > Xen bits. You asked on xen-devel what to do to fix it > > and got the reply: 'You need to set up your own network > > to go through a bridge now'. Do you know now exactly what > > trivial things you need to do? If not, do you know exactly > > where to look for documentation to tell you what you need to do?" >=20 > People who are running production systems on xen-unstable bits need > more help than we can sensibly give them. True enough. But to clarify, we're not talking about those people; we're talking about *developers* updating xen-unstable bits on an otherwise completely stable base distro. And we're talking about xen-users installing xen-unstable on their systems to see if it fixes a bug or adds an important feature they are waiting for. "Oops, networking is broke, I guess I'd better roll back"... which means fewer people testing and giving feedback on xen-unstable. > As I say we'll make a song and dance about this in the 4.1 release > notes, announcements, etc. Another related substantial change will be > the switch away from xend in the default configuration, and it makes > sense to make both of these changes at the same time. Historically in Xen, "song and dance" has been more like "hum a bar offkey and quickly twirl around" :-) I hope this change at this release is a bit more.