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From: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/3] mm: use targeted IPIs for TLB sync with lockless page table walkers
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 21:23:07 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a79a6421-ca97-4a3f-8ec3-55e88da1ec83@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260202125146.GC1395266@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>



On 2026/2/2 20:51, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 02, 2026 at 08:14:32PM +0800, Lance Yang wrote:
> 
>>>> +	/* Pairs with smp_mb() in pt_walk_lockless_start(). */
>>>
>>> Pairs how? The start thing does something like:
>>>
>>> 	[W] active_lockless_pt_walk_mm = mm
>>> 	MB
>>> 	[L] page-tables
>>>
>>> So this is:
>>>
>>> 	[L] page-tables
>>> 	RMB
>>> 	[L] active_lockless_pt_walk_mm
>>>
>>> ?
>>
>> On the walker side (pt_walk_lockless_start):
>>
>>   [W]  active_lockless_pt_walk_mm = mm
>>   MB
>>   [L] page-tables (walker reads page tables)
>>
>> So the walker publishes "I'm walking this mm" before reading page tables.
>>
>> On the sync side we don't read page-tables. We do:
>>
>>   RMB
>>   [L] active_lockless_pt_walk_mm (we read the per-CPU pointer below)
>>
>> We need to observe the walker's store of active_lockless_pt_walk_mm before
>> we decide which CPUs to IPI.
>>
>> So on the sync side we do smp_rmb(), then read active_lockless_pt_walk_mm.
>>
>> That pairs with the full barrier in pt_walk_lockless_start().
> 
> No it doesn't; this is not how memory barriers work.

Hmm... we need MB rather than RMB on the sync side. Is that correct?

Walker:
[W]active_lockless_pt_walk_mm = mm -> MB -> [L]page-tables

Sync:
[W]page-tables -> MB -> [L]active_lockless_pt_walk_mm


Thanks,
Lance


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-02 13:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-02  7:45 [PATCH v4 0/3] targeted TLB sync IPIs for lockless page table walkers Lance Yang
2026-02-02  7:45 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] mm: use targeted IPIs for TLB sync with " Lance Yang
2026-02-02  9:42   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 12:14     ` Lance Yang
2026-02-02 12:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 13:23         ` Lance Yang [this message]
2026-02-02 13:42           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 14:28             ` Lance Yang
2026-02-02 16:20       ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-02 11:37   ` kernel test robot
2026-02-03 23:49   ` kernel test robot
2026-02-02  7:45 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] mm: switch callers to tlb_remove_table_sync_mm() Lance Yang
2026-02-02  7:45 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] x86/tlb: add architecture-specific TLB IPI optimization support Lance Yang
2026-02-25 20:11   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-26 11:37     ` Lance Yang
2026-02-26 18:24       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-03-01  6:56         ` Lance Yang
2026-02-02  9:54 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] targeted TLB sync IPIs for lockless page table walkers Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 11:00   ` [PATCH v4 0/3] targeted TLB sync IPIs for lockless page table Lance Yang
2026-02-02 12:50     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 12:58       ` Lance Yang
2026-02-02 13:07         ` Lance Yang
2026-02-02 13:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 14:37             ` Lance Yang
2026-02-02 15:09               ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 15:52                 ` Lance Yang
2026-02-05 13:25                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-05 15:01                     ` Lance Yang
2026-02-05 15:05                       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-05 15:28                         ` Lance Yang
2026-02-05 15:09                       ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-05 15:31                         ` Lance Yang
2026-02-05 15:41                           ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-05 16:30                             ` Lance Yang
2026-02-05 16:46                               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-05 16:48                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-05 17:06                                 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-05 18:36                                   ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-05 22:49                                     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-05 21:30                                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-05 17:00                               ` Dave Hansen

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