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From: Gionatan Danti <g.danti@assyoma.it>
To: Roger Heflin <rogerheflin@gmail.com>
Cc: Wols Lists <antlists@youngman.org.uk>,
	Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net>,
	Roman Mamedov <rm@romanrm.net>,
	Linux RAID <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Filesystem corruption on RAID1
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 21:42:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a93cf0cc1d39c30f585eb53ed36aa4c0@assyoma.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAMCDefNRMuTwyXn_=3v_EWHwkjy3mhod1dLw3RQpjU=9VHNJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Il 18-08-2017 14:54 Roger Heflin ha scritto:
> I have noticed all of the hardware raid controllers explicitly turn
> off the disk's write cache so this would eliminate this issue, but the
> cost is much slower write times.

True...

> It makes the hardware raid controllers (and disk arrays) become
> uselessly slow when their battery backup dies and disables the raid
> card and/or arrays write cache.

...true...

> Remember, safe, fast and cheap, you only get to pick 2.   We generally
> pick fast and cheap, the disk arrays/raid controllers pick safe and
> fast, but not so cheap as a hardware raid controller with write cache
> backup of some sort are quite expensive.

...and true. I am not arguing any of these points.

What really surprised me was to realize that, facing micro-powerlosses, 
*even sync() writes* can be vulnerable to undetected data loss, at least 
when not using FUAs (using instead the common barrier infrastructure).

So while many (old) mismatch_cnt reports on RAID1/10 arrays where 
dismissed as "don't bother, it's a harmless RAID1 thing", I really think 
than some were genuine corruptions due to micro powerlosses and similar 
causes.

If nothing more, such reports really emphasize the need to have a 
"trusted" mismatch_cnt for mirrored arrays, even in the face of some 
performance losses (due to no using zero copy anymore).

Regards.

-- 
Danti Gionatan
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-18 19:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-13 15:35 Filesystem corruption on RAID1 Gionatan Danti
2017-07-13 16:48 ` Roman Mamedov
2017-07-13 21:28   ` Gionatan Danti
2017-07-13 21:34     ` Reindl Harald
2017-07-13 22:34       ` Gionatan Danti
2017-07-14  0:32         ` Reindl Harald
2017-07-14  0:52           ` Anthony Youngman
2017-07-14  1:10             ` Reindl Harald
2017-07-14 10:46           ` Gionatan Danti
2017-07-14 10:58             ` Reindl Harald
2017-08-17  8:23             ` Gionatan Danti
2017-08-17 12:41               ` Roger Heflin
2017-08-17 14:31                 ` Gionatan Danti
2017-08-17 17:33                   ` Wols Lists
2017-08-17 20:50                     ` Gionatan Danti
2017-08-17 21:01                       ` Roger Heflin
2017-08-17 21:21                         ` Gionatan Danti
2017-08-17 21:23                           ` Gionatan Danti
2017-08-17 22:51                       ` Wols Lists
2017-08-18 12:26                         ` Gionatan Danti
2017-08-18 12:54                           ` Roger Heflin
2017-08-18 19:42                             ` Gionatan Danti [this message]
2017-08-20  7:14                               ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-08-20  7:24                                 ` Gionatan Danti
2017-08-20 10:43                                   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-08-20 13:07                                     ` Wols Lists
2017-08-20 15:38                                       ` Adam Goryachev
2017-08-20 15:48                                         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-08-20 16:10                                           ` Wols Lists
2017-08-20 23:11                                             ` Adam Goryachev
2017-08-21 14:03                                               ` Anthony Youngman
2017-08-20 19:11                                           ` Gionatan Danti
2017-08-20 19:03                                         ` Gionatan Danti
2017-08-20 19:01                                       ` Gionatan Danti
2017-08-31 22:55                                     ` Robert L Mathews
2017-09-01  5:39                                       ` Reindl Harald
2017-09-01 23:14                                         ` Robert L Mathews
2017-08-20 23:22                                 ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-21  5:57                                   ` Gionatan Danti
2017-08-21  8:37                                   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2017-08-21 12:28                                     ` Gionatan Danti
2017-08-21 14:09                                       ` Anthony Youngman
2017-08-21 17:33                                     ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-21 17:52                                       ` Reindl Harald
2017-07-14  1:48         ` Chris Murphy
2017-07-14  7:22           ` Roman Mamedov

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