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From: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
To: Benno Lossin <lossin@kernel.org>
Cc: "Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Oliver Mangold" <oliver.mangold@pm.me>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] rust: elaborate safety requirements for `AlwaysReferenceCounted`
Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 08:41:32 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aBscvBwCD1o0OC_v@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D9PSH8MJ48JO.3OOA3Z3NSBGC9@kernel.org>

On Wed, May 07, 2025 at 10:35:16AM +0200, Benno Lossin wrote:
> On Tue May 6, 2025 at 10:29 AM CEST, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
> > diff --git a/rust/kernel/types.rs b/rust/kernel/types.rs
> > index 9d0471afc964..52683d686c8a 100644
> > --- a/rust/kernel/types.rs
> > +++ b/rust/kernel/types.rs
> > @@ -409,6 +409,10 @@ pub const fn raw_get(this: *const Self) -> *mut T {
> >  /// Implementers must also ensure that all instances are reference-counted. (Otherwise they
> >  /// won't be able to honour the requirement that [`AlwaysRefCounted::inc_ref`] keep the object
> >  /// alive.)
> > +///
> > +/// Implementers of this trait must ensure that values of types implementing this trait can never be
> > +/// owned by value. Instead, values must be owned and used through a pointer type. That is, a type
> > +/// that implements [`Deref`].
> 
> I don't think this covers every case, if I modify your example above
> with Alice's suggestion and using `Box` instead of the stack, I get the
> same problem:
> 
>     struct Empty {}
>  
>     unsafe impl AlwaysRefCounted for Empty {
>         fn inc_ref(&self) {}
>         unsafe fn dec_ref(_obj: NonNull<Self>) {}
>     }
>  
>     fn unsound() -> ARef<Empty> {
>         use kernel::types::{ARef, RefCounted};
>  
>         let data = Box::new(Empty {});
>         let aref = ARef::from(&data);
>  
>         aref
>     }
> 
> The same should be true if one uses `Arc` instead of `Box`. So, even
> though we store it in a "pointer type that implements `Deref`", it is
> unsound.
> 
> I think that types that implement `AlwaysRefCounted` must only be store
> inside of `ARef<T>`. So something like "Values of this trait must only
> be exposed as `ARef<Self>` or `&Self`." I'm not satisfied with the
> wording 'exposed', maybe you have a better word or can expand the
> sentence.

I mean, in some sense the problem is that Empty violates the existing
requirement:

Implementers must also ensure that all instances are reference-counted.
(Otherwise they won't be able to honour the requirement that
[`AlwaysRefCounted::inc_ref`] keep the object alive.)

Alice

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-07  8:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-06  8:29 [PATCH v2] rust: elaborate safety requirements for `AlwaysReferenceCounted` Andreas Hindborg
2025-05-06 14:10 ` Boqun Feng
2025-05-06 14:45   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-05-07  6:24   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-05-07  8:35 ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-07  8:41   ` Alice Ryhl [this message]
2025-05-07  9:19     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-05-07 11:26       ` Benno Lossin

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