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From: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>,
	Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] add process_madvise() flags to modify behaviour
Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 18:32:11 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aC9Dez8CftbNPcbg@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250521173200.GA1065351@cmpxchg.org>

On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 01:32:00PM -0400, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 05:21:19AM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > So, something Liam mentioned off-list was the beautifully named
> > 'mmadvise()'. Idea being that we have a system call _explicitly for_
> > mm-wide modifications.
> > 
> > With Barry's series doing a prctl() for something similar, and a whole host
> > of mm->flags existing for modifying behaviour, it would seem a natural fit.
> 
> That's an interesting idea.
> 
> So we'd have THP policies and Barry's FADE_ON_DEATH to start; and it
> might also be a good fit for the coredump stuff and ksm if we wanted
> to incorporate them into that (although it would duplicate the
> existing proc/prctl knobs). The other MMF_s are internal AFAICS.
> 
> I think my main concern would be making something very generic and
> versatile without having sufficiently broad/popular usecases for it.
> 
> But no strong feelings either way. Like I said, I don't have a strong
> dislike for prctl(), but this idea would obviously be cleaner if we
> think there is enough of a demand for a new syscall.

To me it seems like having a "global mm control" system call makes much
more sense that adding more arms to prctl or overloading process_madvise().

With a dedicated syscall it's much clearer that the operation targets an mm
and it works for the entire mm.
And two usescase seem enough to me to justify a new syscall.

And it's easier to reason about a dedicated syscall designed for a certain
operation that for multiplexed ioctl() style controls.

> > I guess let me work that up so we can see how that looks?
> 
> I think it's worth exploring!
> 

-- 
Sincerely yours,
Mike.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-05-22 15:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-19 20:52 [RFC PATCH 0/5] add process_madvise() flags to modify behaviour Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-19 20:52 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] mm: madvise: refactor madvise_populate() Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 10:30   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-20 10:36     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 10:42       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-22 12:32         ` Mike Rapoport
2025-05-19 20:52 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] mm/madvise: add PMADV_SKIP_ERRORS process_madvise() flag Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 16:52   ` kernel test robot
2025-05-19 20:52 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] mm/madvise: add PMADV_NO_ERROR_ON_UNMAPPED " Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 19:28   ` kernel test robot
2025-05-19 20:52 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] mm/madvise: add PMADV_SET_FORK_EXEC_DEFAULT " Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20  8:38   ` Pedro Falcato
2025-05-20 10:21     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 11:41       ` Pedro Falcato
2025-05-20 13:39         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 16:11     ` Jann Horn
2025-05-20 16:19       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 16:35         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-20 22:26   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-05-29 14:46     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 22:56   ` kernel test robot
2025-05-19 20:52 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] mm/madvise: add PMADV_ENTIRE_ADDRESS_SPACE " Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-19 21:53 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] add process_madvise() flags to modify behaviour Jann Horn
2025-05-20  5:35   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 16:04     ` Jann Horn
2025-05-20 16:14       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 15:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-20 17:47   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 18:24     ` Usama Arif
2025-05-20 19:21       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 19:42         ` Usama Arif
2025-05-20 20:15           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 18:25     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 18:39       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-20 18:25 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-05-20 18:45   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 19:49     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-05-20 20:39       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20 22:02         ` Shakeel Butt
2025-05-21  4:21           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-21 16:28             ` Shakeel Butt
2025-05-21 16:49               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-21 17:39                 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-05-22 13:05                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-22 13:21                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-22 20:53                     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-05-26 12:57                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-21 16:57               ` Usama Arif
2025-05-21 17:39                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-21 18:25                   ` Usama Arif
2025-05-21 18:40                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-21 18:45                       ` Usama Arif
2025-05-21 17:32             ` Johannes Weiner
2025-05-21 18:11               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-22 12:45               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-22 13:49                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-22 15:32               ` Mike Rapoport [this message]
2025-05-22 15:47                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-21  2:16       ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-05-22 12:12 ` Mike Rapoport

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