From: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
To: "Duan, Zhenzhong" <zhenzhong.duan@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH rfcv3 15/21] intel_iommu: Bind/unbind guest page table to host
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2025 22:47:52 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aE+wCIG8KHb3u1lV@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR11MB6744340B889FF65D3BD5B8459267A@SJ0PR11MB6744.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Sorry for a late reply.
On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 07:12:25AM +0000, Duan, Zhenzhong wrote:
> >Third, the vSMMU model, for invalidation efficiency and HW Queue
> >support, isolates all emulated devices out of the nesting-enabled
> >vSMMU instance, suggested by Jason. So, only passthrough devices
> >would use the nesting-enabled vSMMU instance, meaning there is no
> >need of IOMMU_NOTIFIER_IOTLB_EVENTS:
>
> I see, then you need to check if there is emulated device under nesting-enabled vSMMU and fail if there is.
Shameer is working on a multi-vSMMU model in the QEMU. This gives
each VM different instances to attach devices. And we do not plan
to support emulated devices on an nesting enabled vSMMU instance,
which is a bit different than the VT-d model.
> >On the other hand, the VT-d model is a bit different. It's a giant
> >vIOMMU for all devices (either passthrough or emualted). For all
> >emulated devices, it needs IOMMU_NOTIFIER_IOTLB_EVENTS, i.e. the
> >iommu address space returned via get_address_space().
> >
> >That being said, IOMMU_NOTIFIER_IOTLB_EVENTS should not be needed
> >for passthrough devices, right?
>
> No, even if x-flts=on is configured in QEMU cmdline, that only mean virtual vtd
> supports stage-1 translation, guest still can choose to run in legacy mode(stage2),
> e.g., with kernel cmdline intel_iommu=on,sm_off
>
> So before guest run, we don't know which kind of page table either stage1 or stage2
> for this VFIO device by guest. So we have to use iommu AS to catch stage2's MAP event
> if guest choose stage2.
IIUIC, the guest kernel cmdline can switch the mode between the
stage1 (nesting) and stage2 (legacy/emulated VT-d), right?
Thanks
Nicolin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-16 5:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-21 11:14 [PATCH rfcv3 00/21] intel_iommu: Enable stage-1 translation for passthrough device Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 01/21] backends/iommufd: Add a helper to invalidate user-managed HWPT Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 02/21] vfio/iommufd: Add properties and handlers to TYPE_HOST_IOMMU_DEVICE_IOMMUFD Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 03/21] vfio/iommufd: Initialize iommufd specific members in HostIOMMUDeviceIOMMUFD Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 04/21] vfio/iommufd: Implement [at|de]tach_hwpt handlers Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 05/21] vfio/iommufd: Save vendor specific device info Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 21:57 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-05-22 9:21 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-05-22 19:35 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-05-26 12:15 ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-05-27 2:12 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 06/21] iommufd: Implement query of host VTD IOMMU's capability Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 07/21] intel_iommu: Rename vtd_ce_get_rid2pasid_entry to vtd_ce_get_pasid_entry Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 08/21] intel_iommu: Optimize context entry cache utilization Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 09/21] intel_iommu: Check for compatibility with IOMMUFD backed device when x-flts=on Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 10/21] intel_iommu: Introduce a new structure VTDHostIOMMUDevice Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 11/21] intel_iommu: Introduce two helpers vtd_as_from/to_iommu_pasid_locked Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 12/21] intel_iommu: Handle PASID entry removing and updating Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 13/21] intel_iommu: Handle PASID entry adding Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 14/21] intel_iommu: Introduce a new pasid cache invalidation type FORCE_RESET Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 15/21] intel_iommu: Bind/unbind guest page table to host Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 22:49 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-05-22 6:50 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-05-22 19:29 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-05-23 6:26 ` Yi Liu
2025-05-26 3:34 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-05-23 6:22 ` Yi Liu
2025-05-23 6:52 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-05-23 21:12 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-05-26 3:46 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-05-26 7:24 ` Yi Liu
2025-05-26 17:35 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-05-28 7:12 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-06-12 12:53 ` Yi Liu
2025-06-12 14:06 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-06-16 6:04 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-06-16 3:24 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-06-16 6:34 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-06-16 8:54 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-06-16 9:36 ` Yi Liu
2025-06-16 10:16 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-06-17 7:04 ` Yi Liu
2025-06-16 5:59 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-06-16 7:38 ` Yi Liu
2025-06-17 3:22 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-06-17 6:48 ` Yi Liu
2025-06-16 5:47 ` Nicolin Chen [this message]
2025-06-16 8:15 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-06-17 3:14 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-06-17 12:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-17 13:03 ` Yi Liu
2025-06-17 13:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-18 2:51 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-06-18 3:40 ` Yi Liu
2025-06-18 11:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 16/21] intel_iommu: ERRATA_772415 workaround Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 17/21] intel_iommu: Replay pasid binds after context cache invalidation Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 18/21] intel_iommu: Propagate PASID-based iotlb invalidation to host Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 19/21] intel_iommu: Refresh pasid bind when either SRTP or TE bit is changed Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 20/21] intel_iommu: Bypass replay in stage-1 page table mode Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-21 11:14 ` [PATCH rfcv3 21/21] intel_iommu: Enable host device when x-flts=on in scalable mode Zhenzhong Duan
2025-05-26 12:19 ` [PATCH rfcv3 00/21] intel_iommu: Enable stage-1 translation for passthrough device Cédric Le Goater
2025-05-27 2:16 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
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