From: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
To: Nikolay Borisov <nik.borisov@suse.com>
Cc: <linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>, <x86@kernel.org>,
<kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <seanjc@google.com>, <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
<eddie.dong@intel.com>, <kirill.shutemov@intel.com>,
<dave.hansen@intel.com>, <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
<kai.huang@intel.com>, <isaku.yamahata@intel.com>,
<elena.reshetova@intel.com>, <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
Farrah Chen <farrah.chen@intel.com>,
"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 03/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2025 09:03:41 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aEeEbXZglywwo1Rm@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <175eedc5-d82a-4b3a-bce6-2caf625597ca@suse.com>
On Mon, Jun 09, 2025 at 11:02:49AM +0300, Nikolay Borisov wrote:
>
>
>On 6/9/25 10:53, Chao Gao wrote:
>> > > +config INTEL_TDX_MODULE_UPDATE
>> > > + bool "Intel TDX module runtime update"
>> > > + depends on INTEL_TDX_HOST
>> > > + help
>> > > + This enables the kernel to support TDX module runtime update. This allows
>> > > + the admin to upgrade the TDX module to a newer one without the need to
>> > > + terminate running TDX guests.
>> > > +
>> > > + If unsure, say N.
>> > > +
>> >
>> > WHy should this be conditional?
>> >
>>
>> Good question. I don't have a strong reason, but here are my considerations:
>>
>> 1. Runtime updates aren't strictly necessary for TDX functionalities. Users can
>> update the TDX module via BIOS updates and reboot if service downtime isn't
>> a concern.
>>
>> 2. Selecting TDX module updates requires selecting FW_UPLOAD and FW_LOADER,
>> which I think will significantly increase the kernel size if FW_UPLOAD/LOADER
>> won't otherwise be selected.
>
>If size is a consideration (but given the size of machines that are likely to
>run CoCo guests I'd say it's not) then don't make this a user-configurable
>option but rather make it depend on TDX being selected and
>FW_UPLOAD/FW_LOADER being selected.
But in almost all existing cases, 'select FW_UPLOAD/LOADER' is used rather than
'depends on FW_UPLOAD/LOADER'. You can verify this by running
find . -name 'Kconfig' -exec grep -E 'FW_UPLOAD|FW_LOADER$' {} +
>
>I'd rather keep the user visible options to a minimum, especially something
>such as this update functionality.
>
>But in any case I'd like to hear other opinions as well.
Yeah, let's see what others think.
<snip>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-10 1:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-23 9:52 [RFC PATCH 00/20] TD-Preserving updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 01/20] x86/virt/tdx: Print SEAMCALL leaf numbers in decimal Chao Gao
2025-06-02 23:44 ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 02/20] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare to support P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs Chao Gao
2025-06-04 12:22 ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-04 13:14 ` Chao Gao
2025-06-05 0:14 ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 03/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for " Chao Gao
2025-06-03 11:22 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-09 7:53 ` Chao Gao
2025-06-09 8:02 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-10 1:03 ` Chao Gao [this message]
2025-06-10 6:52 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-10 15:02 ` Dave Hansen
2025-07-11 13:59 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-14 9:21 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 04/20] x86/virt/tdx: Introduce a "tdx" subsystem and "tsm" device Chao Gao
2025-06-02 23:44 ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-05 8:34 ` Chao Gao
2025-07-31 20:17 ` dan.j.williams
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 05/20] x86/virt/tdx: Export tdx module attributes via sysfs Chao Gao
2025-06-02 23:49 ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-10 1:37 ` Chao Gao
2025-06-11 2:09 ` Huang, Kai
2025-06-11 7:45 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 06/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Add a helper to read P-SEAMLDR information Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 07/20] x86/virt/tdx: Expose SEAMLDR information via sysfs Chao Gao
2025-07-29 4:55 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-29 10:00 ` Chao Gao
2025-07-31 21:01 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-01 2:07 ` Xu Yilun
2025-08-01 15:24 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-04 7:00 ` Xu Yilun
2025-08-05 0:17 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-05 0:47 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-05 4:02 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-05 13:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06 16:33 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-06 3:03 ` Xu Yilun
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 08/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Implement FW_UPLOAD sysfs ABI for TD-Preserving Updates Chao Gao
2025-06-16 22:55 ` Sagi Shahar
2025-06-17 7:55 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 09/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Allocate and populate a module update request Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 10/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce skeleton for TD-Preserving updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 11/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Abort updates if errors occurred midway Chao Gao
2025-06-03 12:04 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-09 2:37 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 12/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Shut down the current TDX module Chao Gao
2025-06-03 12:36 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-09 2:10 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 13/20] x86/virt/tdx: Reset software states after TDX module shutdown Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 14/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Install a new TDX module Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 15/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Handle TD-Preserving update failures Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 16/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Do TDX cpu init after updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 17/20] x86/virt/tdx: Establish contexts for the new module Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 18/20] x86/virt/tdx: Update tdx_sysinfo and check features post-update Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 19/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Verify availability of slots for TD-Preserving updates Chao Gao
2025-05-23 9:52 ` [RFC PATCH 20/20] x86/virt/seamldr: Enable TD-Preserving Updates Chao Gao
2025-06-11 19:56 ` [RFC PATCH 00/20] TD-Preserving updates Sagi Shahar
2025-07-11 8:04 ` Chao Gao
2025-07-11 14:06 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-14 10:26 ` Chao Gao
2025-07-15 0:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-16 7:30 ` Chao Gao
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=aEeEbXZglywwo1Rm@intel.com \
--to=chao.gao@intel.com \
--cc=bp@alien8.de \
--cc=dan.j.williams@intel.com \
--cc=dave.hansen@intel.com \
--cc=dave.hansen@linux.intel.com \
--cc=eddie.dong@intel.com \
--cc=elena.reshetova@intel.com \
--cc=farrah.chen@intel.com \
--cc=hpa@zytor.com \
--cc=isaku.yamahata@intel.com \
--cc=kai.huang@intel.com \
--cc=kirill.shutemov@intel.com \
--cc=kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com \
--cc=kvm@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-coco@lists.linux.dev \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=mingo@redhat.com \
--cc=nik.borisov@suse.com \
--cc=pbonzini@redhat.com \
--cc=rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com \
--cc=seanjc@google.com \
--cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
--cc=x86@kernel.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.