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From: Zhao Liu <zhao1.liu@intel.com>
To: Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Cc: Xiaoyao Li <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
	Alexandre Chartre <alexandre.chartre@oracle.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	qemu-stable@nongnu.org, boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com,
	maciej.szmigiero@oracle.com,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] i386/cpu: ARCH_CAPABILITIES should not be advertised on AMD
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 13:19:36 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aGTBaN/Nu3AYMHUU@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aGS9E6pT0I57gn+e@intel.com>

> > > > Could you please tell me what the Windows's wrong code is? And what's
> > > > wrong when someone is following the hardware spec?
> > > 
> > > the reason is that it's reserved on AMD hence software shouldn't even try
> > > to use it or make any decisions based on that.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > PS:
> > > on contrary, doing such ad-hoc 'cleanups' for the sake of misbehaving
> > > guest would actually complicate QEMU for no big reason.
> > 
> > The guest is not misbehaving. It is following the spec.
> 
> (That's my thinking, and please feel free to correct me.)
> 
> I had the same thought. Windows guys could also say they didn't access
> the reserved MSR unconditionally, and they followed the CPUID feature
> bit to access that MSR. When CPUID is set, it indicates that feature is
> implemented.
> 
> At least I think it makes sense to rely on the CPUID to access the MSR.
> Just as an example, it's unlikely that after the software finds a CPUID
> of 1, it still need to download the latest spec version to confirm
> whether the feature is actually implemented or reserved.

If the encountered feature bit is indeed not expected (truly reserved),
the processor would be considered faulty and may be fixed in a new
stepping. This is similar to the debate over whether software should
adhere to the spec or whether hardware (emulation) should comply.

> Based on the above point, this CPUID feature bit is set to 1 in KVM and
> KVM also adds emulation (as a fix) specifically for this MSR. This means
> that Guest is considered to have valid access to this feature MSR,
> except that if Guest doesn't get what it wants, then it is reasonable
> for Guest to assume that the current (v)CPU lacks hardware support and
> mark it as "unsupported processor".
 

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-02  4:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-30 13:30 [PATCH] i386/cpu: ARCH_CAPABILITIES should not be advertised on AMD Alexandre Chartre
2025-07-01  8:23 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-01  9:22   ` Alexandre Chartre
2025-07-01  9:47     ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-01 19:47       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2025-07-02  1:06         ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-01  9:25   ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-07-07 19:36     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-07-01 10:26 ` Zhao Liu
2025-07-01 11:12   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-01 12:12     ` Alexandre Chartre
2025-07-01 15:13       ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-01 19:59         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2025-07-07 19:31           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-07-07 20:03             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-01 12:36     ` Zhao Liu
2025-07-01 13:05       ` Igor Mammedov
2025-07-01 20:01         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2025-07-02  5:01           ` Zhao Liu
2025-07-02  5:19             ` Zhao Liu [this message]
2025-07-02  5:30             ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-02  8:34               ` Zhao Liu
2025-07-07 19:20                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-02  9:27             ` Alexandre Chartre
2025-07-02 11:23           ` Igor Mammedov
2025-07-07 19:54             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-07 19:05           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-01 12:19   ` Alexandre Chartre

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