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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jirka Hladky <jhladky@redhat.com>,
	Srikanth Aithal <Srikanth.Aithal@amd.com>,
	Suneeth D <Suneeth.D@amd.com>, Libo Chen <libo.chen@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/numa: Fix NULL pointer access to mm_struct durng task swap
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2025 14:01:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aGZxFRVxHouLaMPg@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250703115006.GT1613200@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Thu 03-07-25 13:50:06, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 03, 2025 at 11:28:46AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> 
> > But thinking about this some more, this would be racy same as the
> > PF_EXITING check. This is not my area but is this performance sensitive
> > path that couldn't live with the proper find_lock_task_mm?
> 
> find_lock_task_mm() seems eminently unsuitable for accounting --
> iterating the task group is insane.
> 
> Looking at this, the mm_struct lifetimes suck.. task_struct reference
> doesn't help, rcu doesn't help :-(
> 
> Also, whatever the solution it needs to be inside this count_memcg_*()
> nonsense, because nobody wants this overhead, esp. not for something
> daft like accounting.
> 
> My primary desire at this point is to just revert the patch that caused
> this. Accounting just isn't worth it. Esp. not since there is already a
> tracepoint in this path -- people that want to count crap can very well
> get their numbers from that.

I would tend to agree with this. Doing the accounting race free on a
remote task is nasty and if this is a rare event that could be avoided
then it should be just dropped than racy and oops prone.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-03 12:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-02 16:32 [PATCH] sched/numa: Fix NULL pointer access to mm_struct durng task swap Chen Yu
2025-07-02 21:08 ` Andrew Morton
2025-07-03  9:24   ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-03  7:18 ` Michal Hocko
2025-07-03  9:37   ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-03 11:51     ` Michal Hocko
2025-07-03 11:55       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-03  7:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-03  9:28   ` Michal Hocko
2025-07-03 11:50     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-03 12:01       ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2025-07-03 12:04         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-03 12:20           ` Libo Chen
2025-07-03 12:36             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-03 13:38               ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-03 14:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-04  5:57                   ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-03 13:57               ` Libo Chen
2025-07-03 14:18                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-03 23:35                   ` Libo Chen
2025-07-04  8:26                     ` Peter Zijlstra

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