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[97.120.254.139]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d9443c01a7336-23e3b5e3d5asm62662505ad.15.2025.07.21.14.20.05 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 21 Jul 2025 14:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 14:20:03 -0700 From: Drew Fustini To: Radim =?utf-8?B?S3LEjW3DocWZ?= Cc: Drew Fustini , Palmer Dabbelt , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_T=F6pel?= , Alexandre Ghiti , Paul Walmsley , Samuel Holland , Drew Fustini , Andy Chiu , Conor Dooley , linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv Subject: Re: [PATCH] riscv: Add sysctl to control discard of vstate during syscall Message-ID: References: <20250719033912.1313955-1-fustini@kernel.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: On Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 04:54:25PM +0200, Radim Krčmář wrote: > 2025-07-21T14:35:38+02:00, Radim Krčmář : > > Shouldn't the RISC-V Linux syscall ABI be defined somewhere? > > To clarify this point. My issue is with the following part in > Documentation/arch/riscv/vector.rst: > > >> As indicated by version 1.0 of the V extension [1], vector registers are > >> clobbered by system calls. > >> [...] > >> 1: https://github.com/riscv/riscv-v-spec/blob/master/calling-convention.adoc > > The ISA does not say that vector registers are clobbered by system > calls. All the ISA says is: > > "This Appendix is only a placeholder to help explain the conventions > used in the code examples, and is not considered frozen or > part of the ratification process. The official RISC-V psABI document > is being expanded to specify the vector calling conventions." > > while the RISC-V psABI says: > > "The calling convention for system calls does not fall within the > scope of this document. Please refer to the documentation of the > RISC-V execution environment interface (e.g OS kernel ABI, SBI)." > > We made a circular dependency, misinterpreted the ISA, and probably > implemented a suboptimal syscall ABI -- preserving vector registers > seems strictly better. Thanks for providing these references. It does seem like this is something that an OS can decide and is not mandated by the ISA or psABI. > > How come we could have broken it with 9657e9b7d253? > > We changed the ABI once, so maybe we can change it back? Reverting 9657e9b7d253 would solve the performance issue for some implementations that I've highlighted in this patch. However, I am interested to hear from others that feel the current mandatory clobbering behavior is ideal for testing (and maybe security?). Thanks, Drew