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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com>,
	Yazen Ghannam <yazen.ghannam@amd.com>,
	x86@kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Libing He <libhe@redhat.com>,  David Arcari <darcari@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/CPU/AMD: Ignore invalid reset reason value
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 08:35:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aKNIQ9b4fixOVSP4@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250818143126.GHaKM5PsVZPXwr5sPi@fat_crate.local>

On Mon, Aug 18, 2025, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 07:24:26AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Most definitely not if the guest owner and host owner are not one and the same.
> > The example use case is where the platform owner is running one of _their_ kernels
> > in a VM, in which case that kernel probably does want to know why the platform
> > reboot.
> 
> Except that can you control who uses that feature? If it ends up being used by
> a VM stack where the guest owner should not know the reboot reason, you've
> lost.

Yeah, but "expose/advertise XYZ to the wrong VM and you've lost" holds true for
so many things.  In all honesty, of the many ways a hypervisor/CSP can screw up,
this one doesn't scare me at all.

> > The same thing that guarantees hardware vendors adhere to specs: the desire to
> > get paid.
> 
> So you're basically saying all HV vendors return -1 for an unimplemented
> register and we should be fine there?

For this type of register, yes, they should.

> > And QEMU did return an error value, 0xffffffff, a.k.a. PCI Master Abort / PCIe
> > Unsupported Request.  I would be amazed if any real world, general purpose VMM
> > did anything else for an MMIO access to an unknown/unsupported range.
> 
> Ok, I guess we will know soon enough. :-)
> 
> > Huh?  Handle a read of all 0xffs as proposed in this patch, and this is unnecessary.
> 
> I don't trust that all HVs will DTRT. But ok, I'll take your word for it.

Heh, I don't I trust hypervisors/VMMs either, but if they don't behave, then we
yell at them and/or send patches.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-18 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-21 18:11 [PATCH] x86/CPU/AMD: Ignore invalid reset reason value Yazen Ghannam
2025-07-21 18:11 ` Yazen Ghannam
2025-07-21 18:13 ` Mario Limonciello
2025-07-22 16:56 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-07-23 18:34   ` Yazen Ghannam
2025-07-23 19:35     ` Borislav Petkov
2025-07-23 19:46       ` Yazen Ghannam
2025-07-24 20:58       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-24 21:02         ` Mario Limonciello
2025-07-24 21:32           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-25  6:50             ` Borislav Petkov
2025-08-15 21:39               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-15 22:04                 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-08-15 22:49                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-16  8:42                     ` Borislav Petkov
2025-08-18 14:24                       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-18 14:31                         ` Borislav Petkov
2025-08-18 15:35                           ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-08-18 14:52 ` [tip: x86/urgent] " tip-bot2 for Yazen Ghannam

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