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Miller" , Eric Dumazet , Paolo Abeni , Jedrzej Jagielski , Ivan Vecera , intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH net] i40e: Prevent unwanted interface name changes Message-ID: References: <94d7d5c0bb4fc171154ccff36e85261a9f186923.1755661118.git.calvin@wbinvd.org> <8f077022-e98a-4e30-901b-7e014fe5d5b2@intel.com> <20250822072326.725475ef@kernel.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20250822072326.725475ef@kernel.org> On Friday 08/22 at 07:23 -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 21:23:20 -0700 Calvin Owens wrote: > > > > If you actually have data on that, obviously that's different. But it > > > > sounds like you're guessing just like I am. > > > > > > I could only guess about other OS Vendors, one could check it also > > > for Ubuntu in their public git, but I don't think we need more data, as > > > ultimate judge here are Stable Maintainers > > > > Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, it's udev after all that decides to > > read the thing in /sys and name the interfaces differently because it's > > there... > > Yeah, that's my feeling. Ideally there should be a systemd-networkd > setting that let's user opt out of adding the phys_port_name on > interfaces. 99% of users will not benefit from these, new drivers or > old. We're kinda making everyone suffer for the 1% :( Thanks Jakub. I let myself get too worked up about this, I apologize for being such a pig in this thread. My frustration is not directed at anybody here, I hope it hasn't come across that way.