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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Rick P Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
Cc: Kai Huang <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	"ackerleytng@google.com" <ackerleytng@google.com>,
	 Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>,
	 "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Yan Y Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	 Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	"pbonzini@redhat.com" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	 "kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"michael.roth@amd.com" <michael.roth@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 05/18] KVM: TDX: Drop superfluous page pinning in S-EPT management
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2025 15:58:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aLIwlZWdyhBp6I0Z@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <26a0929e0c2ac697ad37d24ad6ef252cfc140289.camel@intel.com>

On Fri, Aug 29, 2025, Rick P Edgecombe wrote:
> On Fri, 2025-08-29 at 15:02 -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 29, 2025, Rick P Edgecombe wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2025-08-29 at 13:19 -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > > I'm happy to include more context in the changelog, but I really don't want
> > > > anyone to walk away from this thinking that pinning pages in random KVM code
> > > > is at all encouraged.
> > > 
> > > Sorry for going on a tangent. Defensive programming inside the kernel is a
> > > little more settled. But for defensive programming against the TDX module, there
> > > are various schools of thought internally. Currently we rely on some
> > > undocumented behavior of the TDX module (as in not in the spec) for correctness.
> > 
> > Examples?
> 
> I was thinking about the BUSY error code avoidance logic that is now called
> tdh_do_no_vcpus(). We assume no new conditions will appear that cause a
> TDX_OPERAND_BUSY. Like a guest opt-in or something.

Ah, gotcha.  If that happens, that's a TDX-Module ABI break.  Probably a good
idea to drill it into the TDX-Module authors/designers that ABI is established
when behavior is visible to the user, regardless of whether or not that behavior
is formally defined.

Note, breaking ABI _can_ be fine, e.g. if the behavior of some SEAMCALL changes,
but KVM doesn't care.  But if the TDX-Module suddenly starts failing a SEAMCALL
that previously succeeded, then we're going to have a problem.

> It's on our todo list to transition those assumptions to promises. We just need
> to formalize them.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-29 22:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-29  0:06 [RFC PATCH v2 00/18] KVM: x86/mmu: TDX post-populate cleanups Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/18] KVM: TDX: Drop PROVE_MMU=y sanity check on to-be-populated mappings Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  6:20   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/18] KVM: x86/mmu: Add dedicated API to map guest_memfd pfn into TDP MMU Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 18:34   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29 20:27     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/18] Revert "KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Add a helper function to walk down the TDP MMU" Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 19:00   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/18] KVM: x86/mmu: Rename kvm_tdp_map_page() to kvm_tdp_page_prefault() Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 19:03   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/18] KVM: TDX: Drop superfluous page pinning in S-EPT management Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  8:36   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29 19:53   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29 20:19     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 21:54       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29 22:02         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 22:17           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29 22:58             ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-08-29 22:59               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-01  1:25     ` Yan Zhao
2025-09-02 17:33       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-02 18:55         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-04  8:45           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/18] KVM: TDX: Return -EIO, not -EINVAL, on a KVM_BUG_ON() condition Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  9:40   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29 16:58   ` Ira Weiny
2025-08-29 19:59   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/18] KVM: TDX: Fold tdx_sept_drop_private_spte() into tdx_sept_remove_private_spte() Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  9:49   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/18] KVM: x86/mmu: Drop the return code from kvm_x86_ops.remove_external_spte() Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  9:52   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/18] KVM: TDX: Avoid a double-KVM_BUG_ON() in tdx_sept_zap_private_spte() Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  9:52   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/18] KVM: TDX: Use atomic64_dec_return() instead of a poor equivalent Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 10:06   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/18] KVM: TDX: Fold tdx_mem_page_record_premap_cnt() into its sole caller Sean Christopherson
2025-09-02 22:46   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/18] KVM: TDX: Bug the VM if extended the initial measurement fails Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  8:18   ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-29 18:16     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29 20:11       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 22:39         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29 23:15           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29 23:18             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-02  9:24         ` Yan Zhao
2025-09-02 17:04           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-03  0:18             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-03  3:34               ` Yan Zhao
2025-09-03  9:19                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/18] KVM: TDX: ADD pages to the TD image while populating mirror EPT entries Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 23:42   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-02 17:09     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/18] KVM: TDX: Fold tdx_sept_zap_private_spte() into tdx_sept_remove_private_spte() Sean Christopherson
2025-09-02 17:31   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/18] KVM: TDX: Combine KVM_BUG_ON + pr_tdx_error() into TDX_BUG_ON() Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  9:03   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29 14:19     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-01  1:46       ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-02 18:55   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/18] KVM: TDX: Derive error argument names from the local variable names Sean Christopherson
2025-08-30  0:00   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/18] KVM: TDX: Assert that mmu_lock is held for write when removing S-EPT entries Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/18] KVM: TDX: Add macro to retry SEAMCALLs when forcing vCPUs out of guest Sean Christopherson

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