Re: [RFC PATCH] drm/uapi: Indroduce a VRR Range Control Interface

["Ville Syrjälä" <ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com>]

On Mon, Sep 15, 2025 at 03:37:07PM +0000, Derek Foreman wrote:
> On 9/15/25 5:01 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> > On 12.09.25 15:45, Derek Foreman wrote:
> >> On 9/12/25 2:33 AM, Chuanyu Tseng wrote:
> >>> Introduce a DRM interface for DRM clients to further restrict the
> >>> VRR Range within the panel supported VRR range on a per-commit
> >>> basis.
> >>>
> >>> The goal is to give DRM client the ability to do frame-doubling/
> >>> ramping themselves, or to set lower static refresh rates for power
> >>> savings.
> >> I'm interested in limiting the range of VRR to enable HDMI's QMS/CinemaVRR features - ie: switching to a fixed rate for media playback without incurring screen blackouts/resyncs/"bonks" during the switch.
> >>
> >> I could see using an interface such as this to do the frame rate limiting, by setting the lower and upper bounds both to a media file's framerate. However for that use case it's not precise enough, as video may have a rate like 23.9760239... FPS.
> >>
> >> Would it be better to expose the limits as a numerator/denominator pair so a rate can be something like 24000/1001fps?
> > I was thinking the properties could allow directly specifying the minimum and maximum number of total scanlines per refresh cycle, based on the assumption the driver needs to program something along those lines.
> 
> Surprisingly, this would also not be precise enough for exact media 
> playback, as the exact intended framerate might not result in an integer 
> number of scan lines. When that happens a QMS/CinemaVRR capable HDMI 
> source is expected to periodically post a frame with a single extra scan 
> line to minimize the error.

Intel VRR hardware has a "CMRR" feature where it can automagically
tweak the vtotal between frames to maintain a non integer average.

As for knobs to limit the min/max refresh rates, technically you
wouldn't need the max knob because that is ultimately defined by
the vtotal of the supplied timings. But I guess if you have a
knob to limit the min then a max knob might be convenient as well.

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Ville Syrjälä
Intel