Re: [PATCH v5] x86: make Viridian support optional

["Marek Marczykowski-Górecki" <marmarek@invisiblethingslab.com>]

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On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 12:40:33AM +0300, Grygorii Strashko wrote:
> 
> 
> On 15.10.25 11:00, Roger Pau Monné wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2025 at 06:48:23PM +0300, Grygorii Strashko wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 14.10.25 17:38, Roger Pau Monné wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2025 at 04:24:53PM +0300, Grygorii Strashko wrote:
> > > > > On 13.10.25 15:17, Roger Pau Monné wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 12:52:16PM +0000, Grygorii Strashko wrote:
> > > > > > > From: Sergiy Kibrik <Sergiy_Kibrik@epam.com>
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +	  If unsure, say Y.
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > >     config MEM_PAGING
> > > > > > >     	bool "Xen memory paging support (UNSUPPORTED)" if UNSUPPORTED
> > > > > > >     	depends on VM_EVENT
> > > > > > > diff --git a/xen/arch/x86/hvm/Makefile b/xen/arch/x86/hvm/Makefile
> > > > > > > index 6ec2c8f2db56..736eb3f966e9 100644
> > > > > > > --- a/xen/arch/x86/hvm/Makefile
> > > > > > > +++ b/xen/arch/x86/hvm/Makefile
> > > > > > > @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
> > > > > > >     obj-$(CONFIG_AMD_SVM) += svm/
> > > > > > >     obj-$(CONFIG_INTEL_VMX) += vmx/
> > > > > > > -obj-y += viridian/
> > > > > > > +obj-$(CONFIG_VIRIDIAN) += viridian/
> > > > > > >     obj-y += asid.o
> > > > > > >     obj-y += dm.o
> > > > > > > diff --git a/xen/arch/x86/hvm/hvm.c b/xen/arch/x86/hvm/hvm.c
> > > > > > > index 23bd7f078a1d..95a80369b9b8 100644
> > > > > > > --- a/xen/arch/x86/hvm/hvm.c
> > > > > > > +++ b/xen/arch/x86/hvm/hvm.c
> > > > > > > @@ -701,9 +701,12 @@ int hvm_domain_initialise(struct domain *d,
> > > > > > >         if ( hvm_tsc_scaling_supported )
> > > > > > >             d->arch.hvm.tsc_scaling_ratio = hvm_default_tsc_scaling_ratio;
> > > > > > > -    rc = viridian_domain_init(d);
> > > > > > > -    if ( rc )
> > > > > > > -        goto fail2;
> > > > > > > +    if ( is_viridian_domain(d) )
> > > > > > > +    {
> > > > > > > +        rc = viridian_domain_init(d);
> > > > > > > +        if ( rc )
> > > > > > > +            goto fail2;
> > > > > > > +    }
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Are you sure this works as expected?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The viridian_feature_mask() check is implemented using an HVM param,
> > > > > > and hence can only be possibly set after the domain object is created.
> > > > > > AFAICT is_viridian_domain(d) will unconditionally return false when
> > > > > > called from domain_create() context, because the HVM params cannot
> > > > > > possibly be set ahead of the domain being created.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You are right. Thanks for the this catch.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Taking above into account above, it seems Jan's proposal to convert below
> > > > > viridian APIs into wrappers for VIRIDIAN=n case is right way to move forward:
> > > > > 
> > > > > int viridian_vcpu_init(struct vcpu *v);
> > > > > int viridian_domain_init(struct domain *d);
> > > > > void viridian_vcpu_deinit(struct vcpu *v);
> > > > > void viridian_domain_deinit(struct domain *d);
> > > > > 
> > > > > Right?
> > > > 
> > > > Possibly. If you don't want to introduce a XEN_DOMCTL_createdomain
> > > > flag you need to exclusively use the Kconfig option to decide whether
> > > > the Viridian related structs must be allocated.  IOW: you could also
> > > > solve it by using IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_VIRIDIAN) instead of
> > > > is_viridian_domain() for most of the calls here.
> > > > 
> > > > The wrapper option might be better IMO, rather than adding
> > > > IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_VIRIDIAN) around.
> > > 
> > > I'll do wrappers - less if(s) in common HVM code.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > [1] https://patchwork.kernel.org/comment/26595213/
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If you want to do anything like this you will possibly need to
> > > > > > introduce a new flag to XEN_DOMCTL_createdomain to signal whether the
> > > > > > domain has Viridian extensions are enabled or not, so that it's know
> > > > > > in the context where domain_create() gets called.
> > > > > 
> > > > > In my opinion, it might be good not to go so far within this submission.
> > > > > - It's not intended  to change existing behavior of neither Xen nor toolstack
> > > > >     for VIRIDIAN=y (default)
> 
> [1]
> 
> > > > > - just optout Viridian support when not needed.
> > > > 
> > > > OK, that's fine.
> > > > 
> > > > On further request though: if Viridian is build-time disabled in
> > > > Kconfig, setting or fetching HVM_PARAM_VIRIDIAN should return -ENODEV
> > > > or similar error.  I don't think this is done as part of this patch.
> > 
> > Another bit I've noticed, you will need to adjust write_hvm_params()
> > so it can tolerate xc_hvm_param_get() returning an error when
> > HVM_PARAM_VIRIDIAN is not implemented by the hypervisor.
> > 
> > Implementing the Viridian features using an HVM parameter was a bad
> > approach probably.
> 
> I've just realized how toolstack need to be modified and all consequences...
> Have to try to push back a little bit:
> 
> VIRIDIAN=n: Now HVM_PARAM_VIRIDIAN will be R/W with functionality NOP.
> 
> I'd prefer avoid modifying toolstack if possible.

IMHO trying to start a domain with Viridian enabled, while it's compiled
out of the hypervisor, should fail. Not silently be ignored.

> How about sanitizing HVM_PARAM_VIRIDIAN to be RAZ/WI for VIRIDIAN=n?
> Or may be produce Xen XENLOG_WARNING"Viridian is disabled" if value!=0?
> 
> This an EXPERT option and end-user can get Xen with VIRIDIAN=n only by
> manually re-configuring and re-compiling Xen. In other words, the user
> is an expert and knows what he is doing.
> 
> Another point, assume change like this is to be done for HVM_PARAM_VIRIDIAN
> - there are another HVM_PARAM_x which depend on build-time disabled features, like:
>  HVM_PARAM_VM86_TSS_SIZED
>  HVM_PARAM_PAGING_RING_PFN,
>  HVM_PARAM_MONITOR_RING_PFN,
>  HVM_PARAM_SHARING_RING_PFN,
>  HVM_PARAM_IDENT_PT
>  ...
> 
> if corresponding features are build-time disabled, above HVM_PARAM_x
> become R/W with functionality NOP now.

Are you sure? For me it looks like setting build-time disabled feature
returns -ENOSYS. Or do you mean some other interface than
xc_hvm_param_set().

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Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab

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