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From: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@gmail.com>,
	ojeda@kernel.org, a.hindborg@kernel.org,
	 bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com, dakr@kernel.org, gary@garyguo.net,
	 lossin@kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	tmgross@umich.edu,  jens.korinth.tuta.io@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/2] rust: Add support for calling a function exactly once
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2025 09:03:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aQ21xajAygTbi582@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aQy0zxs53EAnntwR@tardis.local>

On Thu, Nov 06, 2025 at 06:46:39AM -0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 06, 2025 at 09:10:26AM +0900, FUJITA Tomonori wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Nov 2025 08:19:37 -0800
> > Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >> diff --git a/rust/kernel/lib.rs b/rust/kernel/lib.rs
> > >> index 3dd7bebe7888..19553eb8c188 100644
> > >> --- a/rust/kernel/lib.rs
> > >> +++ b/rust/kernel/lib.rs
> > >> @@ -110,6 +110,7 @@
> > >>  #[cfg(CONFIG_NET)]
> > >>  pub mod net;
> > >>  pub mod of;
> > >> +pub mod once_lite;
> > > 
> > > Would it make more sense to put it the kernel::sync module?
> > 
> > I actually considered that as well. The OnceLite structure could
> > probably live under the sync module.
> > 
> > However, the do_once_lite macro places its data in the .data..once
> > section, which can be zero-cleared when a user writes to debugfs
> > clear_warn_once. In that case, there is no guarantee of any atomicity,
> 
> This is not true actually, clear_warn_once_set() uses memset() to zero
> the memory, which is usually implemented by kernel itself and at least
> indicates per-byte atomicity, so it totally works with other atomic
> accesses in the kernel memory model. Otherwise pr_*_once() will be
> considered as data races.
> 
> > so it doesn't really fit the semantics expected for the sync module.
> > 
> > For now, OnceLite the only used by do_once_lite macro, so I didn't see
> > much benefit in splitting it into separate files.
> 
> I lean towards Andreas' suggestion that we should use SetOnce() here if
> possible. I was missing that before this reply, thank Andrea for bring
> it up.
> 
> > Also, data placed in the .data..once section should ideally be of a
> > type whose zero-cleared state is clearly valid, which makes it
> > doubtful that OnceLite would be generally useful in the way that other
> > synchronization primitives in sync are.
> > 
> 
> Why? A lot of synchronization primitives have 0 as a valid value, no?
> 
> > From a Rust perspective, data that is shared with the C side and can
> > be zero-cleared at any time might ideally require some special
> > structures? However, what we actually want to achieve here is simply
> 
> I don't think special structures are required or it's already
> implemented in our Atomic type.
> 
> > something like "probably print only once", which is a very simple use
> > case. So I'm not sure it's worth introducing something complicated.
> > 
> 
> That's my point (and probably also Andreas' point), we already has the
> type `SetOnce` to do this, no need for a `OnceLite` type if not
> necessary, and the fact that it can be zero'd by debugfs doesn't change
> it as I explained above.

The SetOnce type doesn't do the same thing as OnceLite. SetOnce has
three different states, but OnceLite only needs two. I don't think we
should be reusing SetOnce here.

Alice

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-07  9:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2025-11-05  5:47 ` [PATCH v1 0/2] Add support for print exactly once FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-05  5:47   ` [PATCH v1 1/2] rust: Add support for calling a function " FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-05  9:21     ` Onur Özkan
2025-11-05 10:35       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-05 10:32     ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-06  0:34       ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-05 16:19     ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-06  0:10       ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-06 14:46         ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-07  9:03           ` Alice Ryhl [this message]
2025-11-10  9:21             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-10 16:14               ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-10 16:37                 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-11-10 16:55                   ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-11 21:42                     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-11-11  3:09                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-11  5:17                   ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-11  9:12                     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-11-11 23:38                       ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-12  9:04                         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-11-15 13:37                           ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-11 21:43                     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-12  1:30                       ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-12  2:23                         ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-12  9:10                         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-11-14 15:03                           ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-12 13:17                         ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-05  5:47   ` [PATCH v1 2/2] rust: Add pr_*_once macros FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-05 10:33     ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-05 20:59   ` [PATCH v1 0/2] Add support for print exactly once Andreas Hindborg
2025-11-05 23:12     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-06 14:31       ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-10 12:16         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-11-10 16:08           ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-11  9:02             ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-11-12  0:45               ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-12  1:04                 ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-12  1:18                   ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-12  1:35                     ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-13  9:55                       ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-11  1:28           ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-13 10:07   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-13 11:18     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-13 12:06       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-14  0:47         ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-14  0:57           ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-14  1:12             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-14  1:19               ` Boqun Feng
2025-11-14  9:48                 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-14 13:55                   ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-14 13:47                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-11-13 15:20       ` Boqun Feng

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